Hello to all you. Unconventional convention is welcome to Rocky Talkie A Rocky R Podcast where we give you the down and dirty on all things, meat loaf recipes, flavors, ovens and more. I'm Jacob, I'm Aaron. And I, what did y'all do this week? Well, I was born so that's a pretty swag thing that I participated in. Happy birthday. Happy Birthday. Thank you guys. Maybe ask what I did for my birthday. What did you do for your birthday? Oh my God, I'm so glad you asked. I, I'm just really pumped that you asked. I actually surprisingly had a pretty decent birthday. I, I have learned that with aging comes not looking forward to your birthday anymore. Uh That's like a new thing that I'm coming to terms with. Um So I was like, I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do because it's just like, you know, like I, I don't want any presents and I'm not like I can't go to the local party and play anymore and get in a ball pit without getting in trouble. Yeah. So my best friend and I drove up to go get his girlfriend from Albany. So we drove 3.5 hours there and back just to pick her up and then they slept at my house. And the next day, me and a bunch of my friends from cast all went up to Philadelphia and we went to terror behind the walls. It's not terror behind the walls anymore. It's the eastern state penitentiary. They do like a beer garden with like a couple haunted houses, but it was really vib and really fun. So if you're not like really big into horror, like I'm such a chicken shit. I don't do well with haunted houses. It was nice because there was like some scary, but there was also like just like chill vibes. We ate French toast and they had French toast beer. It was exciting. But then we drove home from Philadelphia for another hour and a half and then the next day we drove another 6.5 hours to drive Amanda back to Albany and drive back home. So it was a lot of driving. But I love traveling. So I don't know, it was just like a good Nicky birthday. Like it was very on brand for me. I enjoyed it. Right on. That sounds really fun. And none of my co-host said happy birthday to me. Let's unpack that right now right here. Happy birthday to you. I'm pretty sure Meg said happy birthday to you before the recording. No. Meg said happy birthday to me on my birthday but none of you did. I made you a graphic on your birthday. Yeah, actually you're right, Aaron you did. So Aaron you get a pass, Jacob. Let's talk about it. Um I said happy birthday through my girlfriend who said happy birthday to you. I'm sure Andrea never said happy birthday. She actually just said birth to which I said yes. No, I'm saying I was of that. Yes I do. I did have your vibes like the T H and the birth. I was like, yeah. Right. Jacob might have typed that. So I apologize. I overreacted. That was on me. It's all right. It's, we all make mistakes, you know. Yeah, I'm really sorry. How was your week? I hope I didn't make it any worse. Um My week was great but there's one thing I want to talk about. So I live in a college dorm with a bunch of undergraduate freshmen and my girlfriend was over here this past weekend and the both of us got into an elevator and as it was going down it filled up with people as elevators tend to do. But they were all tiny. My girlfriend's a little bit tall. She's like, I wanna say 58 and I'm like six ft Andrea is not 58. Well, she's some height that's close to mine. I don't know everyone who got on that elevator. There was no way bigger than like 54 and they were all like these tiny women and as we were going down, I turned to her and was like, everyone in this elevator is so much tinier than us. And she turned and like had this weird look on her face looking at me like she didn't know what I was talking about. And then she looked out at all the people in the elevator and started bursting with fucking laughter and everyone turned to look at us and I felt like Willy Wonka and all the um were just waiting for me to tell them what to do. So that was, that was fun. That was like one of the highlights of my weekend. 100% Aaron. How about you? Wow. I, I just need a moment on that one. So you see, you both learned about what it's like, you know, not being Children anymore this week. It sounds like that's awesome. Yeah, absolutely. It's great. My week was awesome. Um What did I do? Oh uh just this last weekend I went to this awesome party. That was super fun. I was at a club and uh I learned a little bit about how I live in the Rocky Horror Bubble. So one of the uh entertainment things that was going on at this was uh a bunch of uh like circus sideshow acts. Super cool. I love circus sideshow acts like that's always really fun and they did a bunch of really cool different stuff, you know. Like smashing a cinder block while on a bed of nails or like, you know, sword swallowing and stuff. Really cool. Uh, but when they came out with a staple gun and, and stapled a ribbon to this guy's face, the whole audience was kind of like about it. But I was just kind of sitting here and I turned to me and I go, you know, isn't that exactly what Jack used to do as a preshow at our show? She was just like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we've seen, are we going to the bar? Like it was, it was, it was one of those moments where it's just like, huh? All right. I guess, I guess I'm a little jaded on this one. It's a great show. Super fun, super fun night. Uh But, uh, you know, a little reminder that uh we all live in the Rocky Horror Bubble. Uh someone used to staple a ribbon to their head as a preshow. Well, he, he do like blockhead stuff. Cyclone Jack Sullivan. Awesome guy. He was on the New York City cast for a number of years. Uh He does a bunch of different sideshow stuff. One of them is human blockhead, uh, you know, hammering nails into his face or, or stapling stuff, you know, all that kind of stuff. And he, he would sometimes do it as a preshow or as a warm up for the audience and uh got a lot of reactions. Uh but, uh, you know, needless to say I've seen it a few times. That is, that is incredible. Yeah. Not to flex or anything but Jack Sullivan and I are actually Facebook friends. Um, so bow down. Yeah, me and me and Jack Sullivan are, are tight, tight as two peas in a pod. Yep. I've liked some of his posts. Yes, I have. Does he have me unfollowed most likely. But you know what? Here we are. And with that, let's start with our first segment, first and foremost in global news. Today, we'd like to give a special nod to Michael Lea Day. Better known as Meat Loaf. This past Monday. September 27th was his birthday. He's my Libra brother. He's my Libra brother. He's my Libra brother. We're gonna fall in love. That's from Dora. I'm pretty sure that soundtrack. Nice. No, that's from Blues Clues. But they're very similar programs. All right. Fans of meat loaf will be pleased to know a quick Google search of the term birthday meat loaf returns a plethora of images and recipes for birthday cake meat loaf. A horrendous design of layered meat loaf slices topped with mashed potato icing and served to unsuspected naughty Children on the off chance you're interested in more than the recipe Food network calls rather kooky for a cake. Here's some birthday facts about our boy meat born on the 27th day of the ninth month in the year 1947. Of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Uh Mr Loaf is a Libra as Nicky just told you, unlike a lot of his contemporaries, David Bowie Freddie Mercury and former lead singer of Foreigner, Lou Graham Meatloaf is in fact, still alive though. You might not know for sure. Just by looking at him. Yikes his uh I'd do anything for love, but I won't do that song. Won both the best solo rock vocal grammy and the N M E award for worst single in 1994. He also won the international best male solo artist at the Brit Awards in 94 96 as well as the Danish Music Award for international album of the year in 1994 1994. Sounds like a good year for me in the past couple of years, Meatloaf has sustained injuries on tour most recently breaking his collarbone at the Texas Freight Maor Halloween convention in 2019. But we are happy to announce that as of now. He's healthy back on his feet and currently touring across the United States and Canada. We here at Rocky Talky Love the loaf and we wish him the best on tour and in all his future endeavors. Happy 74th Meet Yay. Next up in global news, we have a pretty rare announcement on November 13th. Galaxy Con will be hosting a virtual Rocky Horror meet and Greet where you can see all your favorites including Barry Little Nell and Patricia Quinn uh Jacob, I know you're not here every week, but you must know we make Galaxy announcements all the time. Why is this one so special? Well, this time around you can also see the man, the myth, the legend Tim Curry will also be in attendance. Uh It says here in the script, Aaron Creams his pants. Nicky gasps, huh? Meg faints and you should probably go check on her real quick. Uh And Jacob doesn't know who that is. So for those of you like Jacob who might be a little bit out of the loop. Galaxy con organizes conventions of all shapes and sizes across the United States. This is only the most recent Rocky event that they've organized and they do include them as part of their lineups. Pretty often. They've had Barry Little Nell and Patricia Quinn at various cons on digital interviews and Q and A s, they've even had meat loaf on a live Q and A session in one of the few Rocky horror events we've seen him do this time around. There will be two sets of online meet and greets at two PM. Fans can have a live video meet and greet with Tim. And at five PM, there will be a live Q and A with Barry Nell and Pat. Then just one hour later at six o'clock, personal video chat sessions will begin with all three of those guys in addition to the meat and greets. You can send in your own items to be signed by Barry Nell or Patricia or you can have your items signed by a pair. Barry and Tim Barry and Pat or Barry and Nell looks like my bear bear gets around. We know we know it's what you love about him. You can also order pres signed items including an it fun pop signed by Tim Brad. Tidy whities signed by Barry or Nell Patton and Barry are all selling signed photos of Brad Columbia, Magenta. Plus everybody is selling signed Rocky posters. You can see the prices for everything as well as this and other upcoming events all on the Galaxy Con website, Galaxy con dot com, which will have linked for you in our show notes. And of course, if you attend, be sure to write to us and tell us all about it. Now, as a fun little transition between global and community news this week, we've got something special for our listeners. A little Pre Halloween treat if you will. On September 26th, 1975 the Rocky Horror Picture Show opened at the U Westwood in Los Angeles, California. And since the late eighties, the show has been opening every Saturday night at the Newark Theater in West L A with the sins of the flesh cast. So to celebrate the 46th anniversary of the Rocky Horror Picture Show opening in Los Angeles, California, we're going to play some Callie Rocky trivia, right quiz time. Now, since Aaron literally spends his free time reading Rocky Horror, the I figure Nicky might need a little help just to keep everything fair and square. So as the official Rocky talkie game host, I'll be posing every question first to Aaron with three potential answers and Aaron will submit his choice. Then a different yet related question will be posed to Nicky with two potential answers without further ado, let's get into it. These rules do not sound fair. I'm here for it. You literally write every week. A thing about Rocky Horror just like AAA mind thing about Rocky Horror. How could you like? It can't be even that would be unfair. Sins of the flesh has been around for a long time. There's no doubt about that, but there is some uncertainty as to when exactly sins came together as a group and started performing Erin. When did sin start performing? November 1987 December 1987 or January 1988. Ok. I might read a lot of Rocky Horror but boy, I cannot pull dates like this out of my ass. So I have a feeling that I'm just gonna look a fool today. Um Well, 87 end of 87 beginning of 88. I don't know. Let's go. Well, I don't think it would be around Christmas time. That seems like a weird time to start a shadow cast. Let's go. January of 1988. All right. Unfortunately, you are wrong. They did start in December 1987 and I'll give you a little bit more info about that after we get the answer from Nicky. So Nicky, the question to you is as perhaps Aaron's first question outlines Rocky Horror. People are not known for their record keeping, but we are ones for Pump on the official Rocky Horror picture show fan site. Sins of the Flesh has two cast profiles, one from 1996 and another from 2007, which of these two profiles if either has the starting date of their performances in their text. I want to say the one from 2007 because I feel like as time goes on, people become more sentimental, final answer, I mean, yeah, you're correct. And uh the way you phrased it is right too because the 96 1 is definitely worded much more. Do not carry with out of thought in the world and all about partying and the 2007, 1 is more regimented and they try to list when exactly their cast started, but even they don't know it oddly enough in their cast profile saying we're not exactly sure when we started sometime around the late eighties, which is funny because the wiki does know. So Aaron gets no points. Nicky gets one point on to question two. Wait, what's the wiki say? The wiki says uh December 1987. No go figure. Cool to Aaron. Callie. Rocky Horror is amazing, you know, except for the heat and the desert and the fires and the puka shell necklaces. It would be such a shame if Sins was the only Rocky Horror cast to perform in this magical state. So Aaron, do you know how many cast there are on record as either being in rotation currently at a Cali theater or as having been in rotation at a previous time in California. Is it 20 casts? 28 or 23? The Tiffany Theater, Midnight madness, midnight insanity, Sins of the Flesh Berkeley's cast. The second Berkeley cast. Indecent Expo. No indecent exposure is the second part. You know what, I'm not gonna sit here and list 2023 or 28 of these. So I'm gonna go with 28. Unfortunately, it is only 20 though in just the few you listed such as the first Berkeley and the second Berkeley cast. Uh I did not count those. I was going by the wiki page for Los Angeles Rocky Horror, which I assumed had all the Los Angeles Rocky Horror uh shadow cast, but perhaps I was wrong and there are more than even 20 or 28. Oh, I, I, you see, see, I thought you meant all of California which like there's definitely more than 28 that were all of California. Yeah, thinking about that. Now, uh the wiki only has 20 listed, but I'm sure there are a lot that they missed it. Yeah. I'm, I'm very stupid because I'm now realizing the page is just for Los Angeles Rocky Horror and it's not Callie Rocky Horror at all. So I'm gonna give that one to you. That is my bad. And we'll move on to the question for Nicky. All right on to your question, Nikki, which of the following has the best name of all the Los Angeles Rocky horror casts. Is it the Denton affair or the Tiffany Troop? Remember you're going based off of my name? Preferences? OK. So let's, let's think about this analytically. We have the Denton affair and the Tiffany Troop. I feel like you might like the Tiffany Troop because of the alliteration with the T S. But also I think you might prefer the Denton affair because it has the word affair in it. And you would be like, huh nice infidelity. And also secondly, it has like a callback to Rocky of Denton. So I'm gonna go with the Denton affair. You're absolutely right. I think we've mentioned the Denton affair a few times on this podcast. I don't know how or why, but it just, it like it's alive in my head that word. So I liked it. Um I didn't even notice the alliteration on Tiffany Troop. I saw the word Tiffany and I was like, oh, that's a woman word. I don't like it. Just point of order. Here is the Tiffany Troop, the, uh, Tiffany theater. Let's find out that. Yes, their cast venue is the Tiffany theater. Amazing. So, the Tiffany theater is in, well, it was, it's not there anymore, but it was in Hollywood. That's about 40 minutes outside of L A. Well, I guess we can't trust the Rocky Horror wiki for anything. I mean, it counts. Right. It's the L A metro. Sure. Sure. All right. So Nicky gets a point, Aaron gets a point. That is one point for Aaron. Two points for Nicky. Let's go on down to question number three. Our final. All right. For our final cues, we'll be going over the cast motto for Sins featured in their previously mentioned cast profile from 1996 Aaron. What is the cast motto? As is super specific? And I've never heard of cast models before. So if you have no idea, Bud, I will give you hints or something. But if you think you can do it on your own, go for it. The Island of Broken Toys, unfortunately not their motto as listed on their first cast profile from 96 is always get in eight good hours a night and try to get some sleep too. It's also the Island of Misfit Toys. I even spoke it wrong. Well, there you go. You lost two ways. Wow. I'm, I'm just, I'm a loser baby. That's how it is sometimes. And the final question for Nicky has a twitter a Facebook and Instagram and a myspace account as well as a website associated with them. Two of these are defunct, which two are they so defunct means they don't use them anymore or they mean that does that mean you made it up? No, that they don't use them anymore. They are no longer working. OK. I'm gonna say that definitely the myspace account. I know that myspace is still up. So this might be a trick question. But also like if they are using myspace, I have further questions because what, what is their target audience? Um And I'm also going to see because I don't really know anything about California's social media preferences. But I know that using Twitter down here on the east coast, like isn't a good marketing strategy and I feel like Facebook and Instagram has a better ad platform. So I'm going to say that Twitter and myspace are the defunct social medias. Unfortunately, it is myspace. You got that one, correct. But the other one is not Twitter, their Twitter is still up. The other one is their website which is no longer you can no longer use it. Um Yeah, sad thing about actually all these social medias is they're not really using any of them. Uh The most recent thing from their Instagram was right at the start of the pandemic, they made a post about, hey, we're not doing stuff anymore. And on their Facebook and their Twitter, they were making posts up until December of last year when they seemed to stop for some unknown reason. So we miss you guys into the flesh and we hope you get back out there soon. Yeah. As far as I know they're still on hiatus, so back soon, I'm sure. But wishing you the best out there on the west coast. Yeah. So right now, point Tolls are two to Nicky and one to Aaron. But now we've got a bonus question. Lights fade down, gets really quiet. Spooky. Whoever can come up with the cast motto. Meg likes the most gets an extra point and gets credited when she starts drunkenly telling people at the bar that it's the official N Y C R H P S cast motto since Meg just added this question into the script as I was reading the segment and I did not come up with it myself. I'll be participating too. First up, Aaron is gonna let us know what he thinks. All right. Uh I'm gonna go with um the New York City Rocky Horror cast. We the wet spot. All right, the New York City Rocky Horror cast were the wet spot. And now it's to me, my choice for motto is N Y C R H P S. Our website is better than yours. Fuck. I don't have one, anything, Nicky, whatever you want. No, I'm really overwhelmed. I don't know. N Y C R H P S. I'm really overwhelmed. I don't know. All right, I'm really overwhelmed. I don't even know. Those are your three options. Meg Let us know what you think. Hi, everybody. Oh, these are some good answers. You guys? Well, I gotta say sweetie, you know me, I do love a good wet spot. And Jacob, I do have a major superiority complex when it comes to our cast and I do think our website is better than yours and yours and yours and everyone's, but I gotta say as someone who has been a cast director for what, like four or five years now, I don't fucking know the answer. I want to give almost anyone any time they ask me anything is definitely, I am so overwhelmed. I don't know what to do. So I'm gonna have to give the point to Nikki with her answer of, I'm so overwhelmed. I don't know because that's my point, personal motto, right? Summarizing our point totals from earlier. That looks like it is Nicky with three points, Aaron with one point and Jacob with four points because he's the game master and is dictating the rules as this is unfolding. Jacob wins with that over. Let's head to community news. I didn't sign up for a game show. We need to take a 15 minute break. I'm too overwhelmed. Hello. To all you unconventional conventions. That's right. It is time for an R K O K for update from your 2022 Rocky Horror. Picture show convention masters the R K O Army and it's coming to you direct from us, the crew over at the Rocky Talkie Podcast. Yay. Let's fucking go. This one is super hot and fresh off the presses just dropped on Tuesday, September 28th. And boy, are we ready? That's right. Get out those checkbooks because the hotel room block for R K O K four just dropped and you do not want to miss out on getting your room booked early. Who the fuck has a checkbook? I just ordered a checkbook but seriously ain't nobody got time for that shit and neither do you. And that's why you should book online like a normal fucking person. And guess what? We're all going back to the hotel Hilton in Providence, Rhode Island. Apparently the hotel Hilton couldn't get enough of our rocky r shenanigans at R K 03 and are ready and waiting to receive us all again. August 3rd through the 7th 2022 for R K O K four. Both single and double rooms are available at the room block rate of 100 and 89 bucks per night plus taxes and fees. Of course, just make sure you're getting the exclusive convention promotional rate by following the link we've dropped below and checking out all the details on the Acho con 2022 social network group on Facebook. A army is requesting guests who do not need a double bedroom to please book a single in order to allow for those who really do need a double. Don't worry, we've been assured that the room size for singles is just as big as the double bedrooms. And trust us, there's plenty of room to fit all your booze bags, costumes, props and friends and still leave room for when you invite a few new acquaintances to stay for the night or maybe a bite. Who the fuck wrote this? I said a bite, not a lick book. Now in order to make sure you're at the center of the action. If you're coming to R K O K four, you'll definitely want to get into the con block of rooms surrounded on all sides by like-minded Rocky horror fans. 24 7. Rest assured that you won't get any pesky interruptions while practicing for a bedroom scene at four AM if you know what I mean? Oh, they know what we mean. R C O is encouraging everyone to book the hotel early so that they can start discussions with the hotel on expanding the block as soon as possible. And don't forget to join the Hilton Honors program. If you're not already a member as it gives you access to perks like free internet who doesn't like free. This is gonna be one hell of a con and an absolute blowout nonstop party information about con ticket sales will be announced in the near future. So stay tuned for more updates. If you want to check out a draft of the schedule of events for this entire amazing weekend, check out the official R K Ocon website at RCA ocon dot com slash events. And if you have any questions, hit up the official R K Ocon 2022 social network group on Facebook. So get those rooms booked. The link is group dot Hilton dot com slash V five H six R W or check it out down below and don't forget to tune in to us, the Rocky Talkie podcast for all the latest in global and community rocky horror news. We're over at rocky talkie podcast dot com. We'll see you at R K O for Oh my God. I'm so pumped. Hi, so pumped. I'm John. I'm not going, I'm not going, I'm John Fuck. First up in community news this week, we were thrilled to get a first look at Fred Moro's new Kickstarter project. A line of shock treatment, pins, buttons and stickers. This Kickstarter just launched on Monday, September 27th with the goal of creating a shocky pin series to be released in time for R K 04, which for those of you keeping track is only 11 months away. I I don't know what noise that was. I got a little too excited. I'm sorry for his seventh project. Fred is working with the amazingly talented Harley Bean to create this new line. So the way these Kickstarter projects work is when the project raises a certain amount of money, another pin design gets unlocked and becomes purchasable either separately or as part of, of the bundle that you back when the project hits its first goal of $250 which it has as of recording time. On Tuesday the 28th, we, the avid consumers are able to purchase a design featuring Brad with a very seventies blender with the words, oh, blender. If the project hits the $500 mark as of recording, it's only $25 away from reaching a Farley flavors design. Unlocks featuring the man himself in his white suit with the Ace of Hearts. Because what are we looking at? You're looking at an ace? That's right. Lastly, if this project is able to raise $750 we unlock Bet Schnick Creepily standing behind the double M marriage maze sign. So this is all the info we've got for the project up to now and Oh man, we absolutely cannot wait for more. I'm personally a huge shock treatment fan and as far as I'm concerned, there is a severe lack of good shock treatment merch out there for the community. I'm beyond excited that we're about to get some more, especially since it'll be coming from two of the hardest working and most talented members of our wonderful community. Yeah. Many thanks to Harley and Fred. We're going to keep our listeners notified. As the project progresses on Kickstarter. As of right now, we're less than 24 hours in and the project already raised $478. Do you guys think we'll unlock our birth design? Dude. I've got a sneaking suspicion that we just might, we have linked to the Kickstarter page in our show notes if you want to check out the project and maybe sign up to be a backer, which we cannot recommend enough. You can head there to see all the cool designs next up in community news, uh guys. So this is a Rocky horror community podcast and nothing is more relevant to the Rocky horror community everywhere than the age old question that we all see time and time again everywhere in every Facebook group blog post and reddit thread online, especially around October. Hi. I live in downtown L A. Are there any Rocky horror shows in my area? How do y'all? I live 38 miles away from the nearest Sanu gas station grocery store. I wanna take my little ones to see the Rocky horror picture show. This Halloween. Y'all know any performances happening around my neck of the woods. Hi, I, I'm me a Aaron and, and I've, I've been on a Rocky cast for 15 years. My job sent me away for the weekend and, and I want to ditch coworker happy hour on Friday night and hang out with Cool Rocky people. Instead witch casts are performing in the Toledo area tomorrow night, we all see these questions all the time and we all ask the same questions all the time in the year of our Lord. 2021 there's got to be a better way. Well, now there is Nicky. You see a couple of years ago I started R H P S news dot com. A new site dedicated to Rocky horror news. Hey, why does that sound so familiar? Maybe because you and Meg use it every single week to write the show. Oh, yeah, that's why, seriously though, it's a great site. We pull a lot of our global news segments from articles that get published to R H P S news every week. But most weeks we only choose the ones that will be most entertaining to talk about because we can't talk about everything. Obviously. Um, there are plenty of weeks where there's lots of cool stuff published to the site that we don't even have the time to get to. If you're someone who really likes our global news segment in particular, you really like the content on the site. Yeah, I mean, this was just a little project that I was messing around with for myself. Uh, about three years ago is when I started on it. Um, I just wanted to screw around with the Google Alerts service that they offer where you can, like, just put in some keywords and you'll get alerts sent to you, whenever anything that Google finds out on the internet matches the stuff that you searched for. Um However you can have this come to you in a, like a news feed that's like this XML feed and you can have it continuously come to you and you can create an unlimited amount of them. So I created alerts for every single Rocky horror actor and Rocky horror, Rocky horror show, Rocky horror picture. All the variations on that garbage fed it all through an application that I wrote. And uh I go through and manually curate it. Uh Over the week I just sit there and scroll through hundreds of articles and click. No, no, no, no, no. Oh that one. Uh And yeah, it's been serving us really well for the last couple of years. But um especially now after the Panera bread has kind of been winding down, lots of people are trying to get back out and see some shows and they don't really know where all those shows are. And well, I see all those announcements if you're a member of a cast and your cast post their shows on Eventbrite or you make newspaper, article posts or any of that kind of stuff. If, if you guys have an online presence that isn't just on social media, uh that stuff shows up in the feed and that's what I see and that's what this new section that I've been creating is all about. So we've got a bit of a call to action for all our listeners. If you're a part of a Rocky Horror shadow cast or you know, of any upcoming Rocky horror performances, anywhere we would love if you'd submit them to be published on the site, that way anyone looking for a show in that area will be able to search on the site to find it. Yeah. So if uh you already are promoting your show out there on uh some other platform that's on social media, probably have picked it up. But if you're not go check out the website, it's R H P S news dot com, there'll be a link on there to submit your show. Just click on that, fill out the form and boom. I will curate it when I get the chance and it'll get posted up there. All the information you need is right there and it'll show up in a special section that is manually curated specifically for the shadow casting community that is more prevalent than all of the big giant list of events that come out. Uh Because literally right now, I'm posting every single one of them that comes through whether it's a stage show performance in a small town or just a random one-off Halloween screening at a drive in or a bar or a trivia night. Uh There's several 100 of them posted up already and that's just for the month of October. If you guys are wondering is Rocky out there? Are there tons of shows happening right now? Absolutely. Yes. The answer is unequivocally, there are hundreds of shows happening and you too can submit. Your has to be shown big up on bright lights at the top of the page and where everybody can see it and get some more people to take a look and come out to your show. We know lots of you have upcoming performances, we see them all over social media and we can't wait to receive all your submissions and help you spread the word about your shows. And while we're on the subject, if you've got a piece of community news, you'd like to share on our podcast, we know you've got lots of that coming up too. Maybe it's a cool story for Big Dick story time about a neat venue you're getting to perform at, for Halloween or just a fun little tale about something awesome you've done during your time on a cast or maybe it's a really bomb rock related project you're working on and want to tell the whole community about it. If you want to share with the class, just go to our website Rocky Talky podcast dot com and fill out our form and we'll include it in our next episode. We love you all and we cannot wait to hear from you. And with that, let's get snacky you guys. Yes, gentlemen. Are you guys ready? Are we excited. We all know what time it is. It's nack time. Well, actually Jacob, I was going to say that it's finally October the spooky season time for the rest of the non Rocky obsessed world to pull their fish nets out of the closet. Google their local showing, load up on three bottles of wine and loudly exclaim all night about how they are just the biggest Rocky Horror fan. After all, they saw it like 20 times in their junior year of high school in 1984. That feels oddly specific. Well, actually Aaron, it's not even true. We totally got you. It's totally just some words that I made up. I concocted it all and put it in Nikki's mouth and she got you with her mouth, words um freezing. I did it to prove a point to take you down a pig. I'm sick of you every week with your facts that you cite from your books. You can't trust everything you hear or that you read Aaron and you especially can't trust your incredibly loaded up aunt who said she, she was going to make sure you got to sit in the front row at your first Rocky show. But instead left you at concessions while she flirted with that guy who she said was Tim Curry but was actually just a creepy clown who owned a van that had a modest mouse CD stuck in it stereo and would play float on, on a loop. A a again, that, that was oddly specific. I made it up again. I got you. And that wasn't a fact at all. I don't, I don't know what we're doing. Nikki. Can you please regain control of your segment? No, no. I think Jacob is onto something. We've all met that asshole, Jacob. You know, the one who is totally the authority about everything, including Rocky Horror, who knows tons of cool facts, but you aren't quite sure if they're true or just urban legends or pulled out of thin air or they're thin ass or maybe they aren't an asshole. Maybe they're just a good intentioned friend of yours that is on a cast and they heard this thing one time and they wanted you to know this super cool fact about Rocky Horror, but they can't quite remember where they learned about it. Oh OK. OK. I, I think I see where this is going. You guys want to know about how someone like me fact checks all those cool little facts that float around in the Rocky community. I got you. Well, actually Aaron, no, we don't. No, not at all. This is not Aaron talks about all the books he reads. These are some itty bitty knack snacks. What we want to do is throw down on some of these super cool facts that we've all heard be it from that friend on cast, my drunk aunt or that asshole who owns all the rocky books on this planet Shain. And we want you to tell us what the real story is. We want to be the ones who can say, well, actually, you're right. And did you know we want to be that asshole except we want the ammunition to know we've got all the facts straight. So I made a list. These are the things that we've heard, be it online or online at a Rocky show or at the bar afterwards or backstage or in a random Halloween article in the paper, whatever all our listeners have probably heard them before. Maybe they've even repeated them. We want to run them down and you can be just like Snopes, Snopes. It, it's a, a fact checking website. They're the ones that will tell you. No. Walt Disney did not get cryogenically frozen. He was cremated and interred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California and it will cite all of its like reputable sources and it will break down the myth and it'll assure you like once and for all that Walt Disney was not frozen, let it go, let it go. But yeah, I get it. Whatever. We all know they cremated disney's body. It's his head that's hanging out in a big glass jar along with all the other celebrities. Uh ok. No, Walt Disney's head was never shown on Futurama. I checked the official Futurama Wiki. Uh Walter Cronkite. Walter Mondale. No, Walt Disney. See. Yes. This is what we are looking for. Yes. Give me the fact. Juice, you me, you me fact juice slurp it up my fucking mouth. No, no, no. Juice. What did you say about my people? Juice, Jacob. You said juice. Nothing pulpy, please. Just facts. I, I get it. You got it. Let's let's do this. No, no, you can't do that. I wanna talk about Jews and I can because I am one of the chosen people. I mean, it wasn't the first one on this list, but sure, Jacob, let's talk about Jews, right? What's the deal with that stupid pink triangle on Frank's lab scene? Jacket? Listen, I know, I know Aaron, you have told us time and time again that it isn't a reference to the holocaust. You have also said that it wasn't intended to be a reference to gay pride or to anything. It was just a coincidence. But why the fuck do I still see it coming up over and over again all over the place? I do see that one a lot and I always try to correct it whenever someone tries to tell the story wrong, but it's just a rumor that won't go away and I promise guys this is the last time we'll talk about it. I know we've done some light summaries on it before and you're all probably just as sick of hearing about it as we are. We wouldn't have to keep bringing it up if people would just stop repeating it. It, it's honestly though, not surprising that it won't go away. If you Google Rocky Horror, Frank Pink Triangle, you're gonna get over 200,000 results. Many of which are repeating that same story. And the especially unfortunate thing is a lot of them are actually citing Rocky horror books that I even have on my shelf. This big lie has been so often repeated over the years that several authors have printed it as common knowledge fact, meaning they haven't even bothered to cite a source. However, this is a relatively straightforward false equivalence, fallacy, a logical fallacy, an incorrect similarity based on an oversimplification of the comparison or ignorance of additional factors. Exactly. Oh, so like comparing apples to oranges precisely because here, here are the facts. It is true that a pink triangle was worn by homosexuals in concentration camps during the holocaust, but it was generally worn upside down. It is also true that the pink triangle has been a widely used symbol for gay culture since the mid seventies. In 1972. A Hamburg publishing house released the first autobiography of a gay concentration camp survivor. The title of the book was the men with the pink triangle. And its cover used a large downward facing pink triangle. The symbol was later reclaimed by the gay community as a symbol of empowerment. Most notably in 1987 the Aids Coalition to unleash power or act up used the symbol with the slogan, silence equals death, right? We've talked about that before and I've seen it on Wikipedia. But if I look on the pink triangle Wikipedia page, it also says, says literally in the same paragraph that talks about act up that quote in the 1975 movie, the Rocky horror picture show, Dr Frank N Furter, a bisexual transvestite wears a pink triangle badge on one of his outfits and it cites a source. But don't you see it, Nicky, this is the false equivalency. It is true that it was used by the Nazis. It is true that it became a symbol of the gay rights movement and it is true that Frank wears a triangle on his lap scene gown. All of those facts are true and they all talk about a pink triangle but just because they're about similar things does not mean that they are inherently related. Also just for reference, go take a hard look at Frank's lab scene gown in the film. It's not pink, it's red and it's not upside down. It's right side up. Well, fuck, I hate to say it, but you're right. And also this citation from Wikipedia is some random article on medium dot com. But oh wait, it does cite a source. It cites an academic paper by Sean Soman from 2014. Um but I can't seem to find that that's because the media article got it wrong. It wasn't published in 2014, Sean Soman published his article in 2016 in a journal called Film Matters and is titled Franken Furter or the Modern gothic adapted subversion in the Rocky horror picture show. I can't find that either. It's from some academic journal. Oh, don't worry. I paid the 15 bucks that I had to, to get access to the four page article. Academic pay walls are bullshit. I totally agree. I certainly wouldn't check our show notes for a potential link to screenshots that someone may have uploaded anonymously online. No, wouldn't do that. But guess what you look through that journal article and surprise. There is nothing that can be used as a citation. Sean Soman doesn't even pretend to offer proof that the triangle on Frank's lab coat is an intentional reference to the holocaust. Instead he chooses to cite a source that simply says that pink triangles were used by the Nazis. No connection, just false equivalent. But OK, so a medium article quoted a scholarly journal and that journal didn't present a proper citation, just a false equivalence. But that can't be the only reason that this keeps getting repeated all over the place. Unfortunately, it's not. And sadly, the true reason has to do with several published books, not a random academic paper. And in fact, it's not just a single book, it's in several books and those books in combination with a litany of other academic papers, blog articles. Top 10 lists youtube videos podcasts. What have you? They all erroneously repeated this falsity and it has completely saturated the internet and as we saw it's even contaminated Wikipedia, the most sacred of texts you joke. But, but mostly I placed the blame on the published books as those are what the most of the most die hard of Rocky horror fans will have read. And it's because of those books that some totally obsessed Rocky fan may have repeated this inaccuracy. Hell, I know I am even guilty of telling this one many years ago before I dug into it properly. Don't get me wrong. The books we're about to talk about are on a whole very well done works. They just get this one fact horribly, horribly wrong more frustratingly in my opinion, is that one of those books that gets it very wrong purports to be a scholarly attempt at analyzing Rocky Horror. And as such, it is one of the most cited references in other works that talk about the pink triangle and somehow this book manages to mangle the facts even worse than all others combined. That book is Cartography. The Rocky Horror Picture Show written by Jeffrey Weinstock and published in 2007. It is the first book published by Weinstock on Rocky Horror. His second published book about Rocky being reading Rocky Horror, The Rocky Horror Picture Show and Popular Culture one where he served as an editor and which we've used before specifically in our episode, be just and fear not about how well it's a weird one. Go listen, if you haven't been keeping up, right. His first book, though photography is a relatively ambitious attempt at approaching Rocky from an academic angle. However, his first chapter makes a number of extremely dubious connections between Rocky Horror and the Nazis supported by little more than conjecture and false equivalence. There are plenty of citations taken from World War Two history and from seventies and eighties gay culture. But what he failed to find was a single citation giving context from Richard o'brien, Jim Sharman, Brian Thompson, Sue Blaine or anyone else who had a hand in actually creating the stage show or the film. And yet with absolutely no supporting evidence, Weinstock uses the pink triangle as one of his three tenants, supporting his entire argument for the introductory chapter of his scholarly book. He suffered the same mistake that Soman made earlier in his academic piece. He knew about the use of the triangle in Nazi Germany and he knew about it as a symbol for gay culture and he just assumed that there was a connection and unfortunately given the severity of this mistake, it forces the reader to turn a critical eye to all of the other theories that he puts forward in the rest of the book, some of which I even think might actually have merit. But let's not be too harsh on Weinstock. You said there were more books that made the same mistake about the pink triangle. That that's right in Marissa C Hayes's fan phenomenon. The Rocky Horror Picture show, she too repeatedly references the pink triangle on Frank's lab coat and incorrectly states it as a reference to Nazi concentration camps, not once, not twice, but on three separate occasions with Nary, a citation to be found either. And there are still more even when the theory is couched in skepticism simply repeating it lends it credence. Just look at the way modern conservative entertainment news operates in. Still the beast is feeding authors, Rob Bagnell and Phil Barton do undoubtedly mention the debate about the meaning of the triangle and the potential link to the holocaust. However, unlike Weinstock and Hayes, they have the good sense to mention that A the triangle is red, not pink in the original stage show and movie and B the triangle faces upward, not downward. And c that Sue Blaine has denied being aware of the connection. I mean, good. That's all good. But I get the sense that you're still pretty miffed about this one, Aaron with all these sources out there talking about it. Many of which we ourselves have used as citations on this very podcast. What else is there? I feel like you've been slow rolling the payoff here. So let me just tee this up for you. Some asshole comes up to you and says some asshole, that's your cue. Oh, hey, Aaron. Did you hear that? The pink triangle on Frank's lab coat is a reference to the holocaust. And you say, well, actually Jacob, it's not. You see in the original stage production, Sue Blane was working on an extremely small budget, but one thing she could afford was to go to a hospital and buy some old gowns in particular, she went to the Hammersmith Medical School and from a Mr S Luzar acquired surgical gowns, gloves and masks and more to the point, those gowns that Sue Blaine acquired already had the triangles on them. The triangles were red, they faced upwards and were completely genuine for surgery. The reason many believe they are pink is that over the years as the costumes were washed, the red colored triangles faded and became pink, it was entirely unintentional. And if Sue Blane had known the significance of the symbol, she would have never used it. Ok. Wow. But see Aaron, this is the problem we were talking about. I didn't hear a citation in there. Yeah. Put up or shut up. No problem. Here's the citation and for all of our listeners out there, this is why you can be absolutely certain that this is accurate. The source for the gowns being from the Hammersmith Medical School is from the original Rocky Horror play Bill from the first run at the theater upstairs in a grateful thanks to section on the inside right page. They are explicitly thanked for providing the gowns. This program from the June 1973 production is published courtesy of Tony Pizzo and Mark Jabara on Oz Rocky horror dot com. It's in the playbill section. Go check it out. Ok. But furthermore, everything else about the triangle already being on the gowns and the color fading due to the repeat washing is directly from an interview with Sue Blane. Oh Snap bitches even better. It is an unedited interview with Sue Blane published in Rocky Horror from Concept O Cult by Scott Michaels and David Evans. These are her words only very slightly paraphrased by me. Absolutely nothing has been added or modified if you want to read them for yourself. It's on pages one oh five and one oh six. Well, holy shit, man. Mic fucking dropped. Thank you. Riddle me. This though. Does the UK stage show still use a pink triangle? So ironically, they actually changed it many years back. Uh in the early two thousands, the triangle was removed entirely and since at least 2014, all the way up to the current UK stage show run with Stephen Webb playing Franken Furter, the triangle has been replaced instead with a pink heart, huh? Which probably actually lends more credence to the stories. You know how those crazy conspiracy theorists think I I did say it was kind of ironic but still glad to see it updated that heart is cute. There's photos on the UK time Warp fan site if you want to check it out for yourself. All right, I regret steering us off into that massive, massive tangent. This was supposed to be a bunch of fun little facts so that we could all be the smartest guys in the room. Maybe we do a couple of little ones. Perhaps some that are true, please. A few more little Mack snacks. Yeah, sure. I'm game. Here's a good one. I've always been curious about this one. I think we all know that the skeleton in the clock is real. You mean? Nor mcdonald fuck man. Poor. Is that an Orville reference? Yeah, he voiced the big green slug monster that you know, fuck the doctor. I am just going to move past that. So the skeleton in the clock, it's real. But like what is it? Who is it? Why did someone put a skeleton in a clock in the first place? So many unanswered questions? Perfect. This one is actually super straightforward. It's a trap. It is real, isn't it? The skeleton uh by all accounts. Yes. So the clock when they were preparing to film Rocky, the production team took a trip down to Bray Studios to check out what Brian Thompson called the Old Hammer House. Uh You guys probably know it as Oakley Court. It's a hotel I've stayed there right. So after they saw court, Brian Thompson was offered to take a look at the Hammer Warehouse. He jumped at the opportunity thinking that there would be a ton of stuff to raid, seen as all the old Hammer films had a ton of mad scientist, lab equipment and all sorts of other things. That's where stuff like the tank comes from. It was used in a few Hammer horror movies before Rocky, particularly the 1958 movie, The Revenge of Frankenstein. But Brian Thompson ended up being pretty disappointed the warehouse was just a shed behind the building at Bray Studios. That's just down the road from Oakley Court where many of the interior scenes for Rocky were shot. Much of the credit. Brian Thompson said for the items that were found for the sets goes instead to Ian Whittaker. He was the set dresser on the film. He's the one that found, for example, all the taxidermy animals. And he is credited as the guy who thought to write Magenta's shopping list on the lab wall next to the transducer. And he's the one who came across the famous clock. According to Terry Aland Snow, he was the art director for Rocky. The clock itself was found inside Oakley Court. Ok. So at some point after the clock was used in Rocky, it was acquired by Ken Paul's London Theatrical Prop Company. And in 2002, Sotheby's auctioned off the contents of the company. Much of what we believe we know about the clock comes from the auction description provided by Sotheby's itself quoting from Ken Paul's daughter when they spoke with her in preparation for the auction and all that other stuff about where they found it just because you made such a big deal about sources. All that comes from concepts to cult, you know, where the Soup Lane interview comes from. These are direct quotes from Brian Thompson and Terry Aklan Snow. The information about the clock from the Ken Paul company as mentioned comes from his daughter. So one paragraph of the sotheby's announcement reads as follows. The ultimate conversation piece has to be the mystery clock in a full sized inlaid mahogany coffin dated circa 1900 complete with real skeleton used in the opening scenes of the Rocky horror picture show. The skeleton is rumored to be the remains of the young Italian lover and secretary of the countess of Roslin. After his death, she couldn't bear to be separated from him. So she immortalized him in the clock and took him everywhere with her. According to the provenance, the clock had been acquired by Ken Paul from an unnamed music hall escape artist. When it sold at auction in 2002, the clock was won by an anonymous bidder for £35,000 £35,000. Jesus. I mean, it's a cool clock, but I don't know about that. However, and I hate to do this to you guys. The story of the clock may be a bit of, I don't know, let's say creative wishful thinking. No, not again, please. So this comes from a 2011 magazine article about the Roslin bones. A minor archaeological oddity that made headlines a decade ago due to the bones being found in the Rosslyn Chapel, which itself was made famous for being featured in the Da Vinci Code in it. The author provides some skepticism about the story at the time. The clock was purported to have been made. The countess of Rosaly would have been married to the fourth earl from 18 66 until his death in 18 90. Her own death was in 1933. Presumably it's then that the clock would have then been sold to the escapologist. So it's unclear when the Ken Paul Theater Company acquired the clock. Perhaps it lingered at Oakley Court for several years while belonging to the escapologist and was later acquired. Perhaps it was borrowed from the Ken Paul company for one of the Hammer films. We haven't found documentation either way as to when the Ken Paul company came into its possession. But by the late nineties, it was certainly owned by the Ken Paul theater company. And the last film that we were able to place it in after its use in Rocky is the 2001 Johnny Depp film about Jack the Ripper from Hell. So is the skeleton real that I would confidently say yes to Sotheby, certainly had to represent it accurately for their auction in 2002. Is it the remains of the Italian lover of the countess of Roslin. That part I think is up for debate. Well, it's a real skeleton. That's awesome also. And I feel this is worth mentioning that article you cited about the Rosalyn Bones. It contains some seriously un academic conspiracy theory, Freemasons kind of stuff. Yeah, definitely take that author's opinions with a, a green as salt. All right. All right. I think I can live with that. Certainly more info than I started with. We got time for one more. Yeah, I think we can do one more if you, you know, if you make it short. All right. So what's the deal with the castle? Special effects at the end of the movie? They are like super crappy. Like, like not just budget sci-fi movie, crappy, like really, really bad. Oh, I know this one. It's really bad because it's really cheap and yeah, it's bad. Originally Brian Thompson wanted to make a full scale model of the castle and have it blast off all done with like a suitable amazing miniature special effect. But Rocky had a micro budget. So he had to settle for, well, the last best thing, it's literally a cut out picture of the castle and someone is just raising the picture out of the frame. Wait really? And they just blew all that smoke behind the picture. The smoke is an attempt to cover up the real Oakley Court which you can totally see behind the picture still just sitting there before it cuts to superheroes. The photo gets pulled off screen. Oops, there's the castle still sitting there. Boom. Done those cheap bastards. Cheap bastards. Indeed. Recycling hospital gowns, finding set pieces lying around ones that contain a literal dead guy and special effects that any six year old with a cell phone could outproduce. Oh, Rocky. It's ok. We know you're cheap. Just like us. We still love you. And that's a show. If anyone has a question, they'd like us to answer on air for Nicky asks a question or some community news they'd like us to talk about or even a cool story to share with the community. We'd love to include it in our show. Just go to our website rocky talkie podcast dot com and fill out our contact form to tell us about it. If you're enjoying Rocky Talk, please help us out by rating, reviewing and subscribing to the show. It makes the podcast more accessible to new listeners, which really helps us grow the show. And if you want even more Rocky talkie content, check us out on Facebook, youtube, Instagram and tiktok all at Rocky Talkie Podcast. We'll talk to you all next week. Bye bye. See you. Hey, where the fuck is John Dead is dead? Working, fired. I blackmailed him to get his episode this week. Mm It's September 28th and it feels wildly dishonest to say that. It's October, you know, silence airs in October but right now it's not. So we're lying to our customers and they'll get us back for this one. The show is free and they will judge us for that too. Yeah.