What is up all of you? Unconventional conventions? Welcome back to Rocky Talkie. A Rocky horror podcast where we talk about anything and everything Rocky horror related. I'm John now, I'm Aaron. Fantastic. Aaron and Nicky. How were your weeks? What did y'all do? What's the vibe? Oh man, I've had a fun week, John, I've been messing around with some deep fake stuff making some Rocky horror content. That is just the worst kind of nightmare fuel. Having a lot of fun with it though. It's messing around with some technology stuff, you know, it's having a good time. I'm absolutely terrified that in like two weeks, I'm gonna go on deep fakes dot com and see some like shitty porn of me from you. You know, I hadn't thought of doing that yet, but now that you put it in my head, I can't wait. Yeah, that could be fun. Well, now you're probably seeing something publicly on a podcast and now you have to deliver. Ok? I will not be doing that. Just thank you. Please don't. But yeah, my week's been pretty good. I've been messing around with that a lot of work this week and a lot of other stuff like that. But, uh, you know, that's been my rocky fix. Happy to be here. Let's talk about some rocky stuff. Uh, but first up, come on, Nicky, what, what have you been up to? So, actually, I want to talk about this. I've had a very conflicting week because I had, so I had a tweet on Twitter that blew up and I also had a tiktok that blew up this week, but the tweet was kind of controversial, like not controversial, but I definitely split the room. So I've been getting like a lot of negative feedback on Twitter. Whereas on tiktok, I've been getting an overwhelming amount of positive feedback. So I'm very confused right now if I should be really sad or really angry. So I tweeted about there was like, there's been a controversy lately regarding David Dobrich and his actions in the past. So I tweeted that, you know, regardless of your fan base, we need to hold big creators accountable because we can't just keep giving people a pass because they're funny or rich or hot. I get that you stand these people. But like, I just tweeted that we need to hold them accountable and a lot of people did not like that. I said that, but it did get a lot of likes and I've never gotten that many likes. So it was very exciting. So anyway, yeah, it's been a weird week. I just followed you? Oh my God, babe. Yeah. How did you find my Twitter? Uh Your brand is pretty consistent, Nikki. I have an extreme opinion about this one, but I have one clarifying question first. Who the fuck is David do? Exactly. We'll talk, we'll talk. No, seriously. It, who the fuck is this guy that you're even talking about? He's a very famous youtuber. He's known he's a part of the vlog squad. Do you know what the vlog squad is? Pretend you're talking to someone who doesn't use the internet. So David Dobrich makes youtube videos in L A with a bunch of his friends and a lot, he does a vlog every week and they seem very scripted but lately it's been coming out that it's not scripted and he's actually just really shitty to all of his friends and they're coming out saying like, hey, we're really sad and he's really bad and he's not acknowledging it, passing off scripted content as non scripted content. That is an absolute catastrophe. Anyone who does such a thing should be absolutely ashamed of themselves and uh hold on, I got to turn the page. Yeah, you missed, you missed a couple of lines there. Sorry about that. Uh I am outraged. And can we just get a rewrite on this part? I don't like this part. OK, thank you. All right. Well, um that was fun. Yeah, that was a good time. Anyway. Fuck David Dobri. Yeah. So how Are you John? Yo. I'm fantastic. Uh This week has been kind of slow for me and I know that we're not supposed to talk about anything that's like Rocky horror related about our thing that we're supposed to do this week. But I was talking with a friend of mine about, you know, missing things and life and I found this one video of me as Riff and I was eating toilet paper off of the floor at a show, of course. Right? And then I, I went down a rabbit hole and I went onto the Rocky Instagram for N Y C and you know, we have little highlights of like fun, cute little moments for every cast member and I clicked on mine and was just watching through and I was like, it gave me this realization for those of you who don't know, I did keto over the first half of quarantine and I dropped like almost £50 so like I was hot then, but like I'm super hot now and I swear to Christ that when I get back to Rocky, the entirety of New York City is in fucking danger. I am going to be so hot. It's not gonna be able to be contained in one single human body. And I just feel so good about that about leveling the entirety of Manhattan with my rocking body. Well, good for you John. That's amazing. That is super cool for those of us. Who um may have been having a little more Taco Bell over quarantine. Um We'll stand in the back. It's fine. Is that because I'm currently eating Taco Bell, Aaron, are you calling me out, Aaron? You got some luscious locks over quarantine. So I don't even try to step to the back. Oh my God. Those are coming off the minute that it's safe to go to a hairdresser for fuck's sake. Hell yeah. Also I didn't, I didn't know you were eating Taco Bell, Nicky. I thought you were just having some chips. Uh Oh God damn it. And with that crunch, let's get started with our first segment of the podcast. We got some global news coming right at you right in your face. So first up in global news, there may soon be a way for us all to stream the Rocky Horror picture show again, you know, in case you find yourself with no other way to rewatch it over and over and over again while you're stuck in your house on February 23rd Disney actually released a new channel within Disney Plus called Star. Oh which is the stupidest name for a Disney Plus channel I've ever heard. But it's a content hub within Disney Plus for television and film content that is intended for adult audiences, you know, so they can say fuck. So Star includes content from ABC signature 20th television, 20th century studios, searchlight pictures, Touchstone, Hollywood pictures FX and free form, which used to be ABC family for all of you who are over the age of 20. Ah, so far star has only watched in Canada, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore with plans to expand to more markets later in the year. Wait, but do you know what this means? This means that they're going to release the Hamilton Super Cut where they say fuck and the butt holes. I need to see Lin Manuel Miranda's butt hole. Ok. What does the butt hole cut have to do with Rocky Horror? All right. So what does this have to do with Rocky? Great question, Aaron streaming availability. Of course, Rocky is becoming available to Disney Plus subscribers on Star. So so far it's only available to Canadian viewers, but it seems like Disney has plans to continue updating its library as license agreements end with other streaming platforms. So hopefully fingers crossed. It's just a matter of time before we all have access to Rocky via stream again. You know, as long as you have Disney Plus, I'm really excited about this. The entire Star channel honestly sounds like a really good time and I really like the idea of being able to watch grown up Disney owned content on Disney. Plus the cartoons and superhero movies are a lot of fun. Do not get me wrong, but I'll also very happily watch some FX shows and Lin Manuel Miranda's Butt Hole. Well, stay tuned, folks. We will keep you updated on the Disney Plus Rocky Horror situation as we learn more. Now we have a bit of somber news about a very prolific artist. Chris Jamar. Chris comes from Youngstown Ohio and he's always been a really big comic book fan in his youth. He was a really big Marvel fan and in adulthood, his art has stretched across so many mediums, including a number of pieces that are based on Rocky Horror. Yeah, I couldn't believe how many areas this guy has dipped himself into. He's created two publishing companies uh Man of Underground Press and Substance comics with Manna. He published an international underground paper called the Activist Radical Truth through art music and social commentary through Substance comics. He produced 3 64 page issues of Substance Quarterly, Substance Comics dissolved in 1994. But out of that year, one of Jamar's most popular characters was created out of a single panel gag cartoon found in a tiny coffee house in Ohio. A little nameless character was created and became rapidly popular. Later named Mr Beat Memorabilia was made as well as a few comics under the same character. Yanar has also released a music. He's also written and created comic art for The Simpsons as well as comic related content for Alice Cooper and Kiss. He also has two websites for his main pursuit, his art, one website yaar today dot com has over 840 pieces of pop art including 12 variations of Franken Furter portraits. It's a lot of portraits. His other website Yanar dot com has 37 portraits of real people as well as four pieces from an AIDS awareness campaign of everything that I've seen. His condom man with like a tiny sperm bullet ricocheting off of his chest was perhaps the best one. So why are we talking about this guy? Well, Chris Jamar is currently struggling with sepsis and Mersa Mersa is a bacteria resistant to many types of antibiotics and can lead to worse infections like staph or sepsis. And sepsis occurs when chemicals released in the bloodstream to fight an infection, trigger inflammation throughout the body. Jamar was hospitalized for two weeks in early December and has since lost a lot of freedom of movement in order to try and recoup some medical costs. He has set up. The Chris Yambor has been seriously ill with sepsis and mea. He was hospitalized for a week and is finally home but still extremely weak. Now, he needs your help. Health bailout sale. What a name? Yo, this guy has shit going on. He's not trying to fuck around with the cute title. He wants results. We are absolutely wishing Chris all the best and we hope he recovers really soon. In the meantime. His health bailout sale includes silk screens and paintings on Yanar today dot com that are available for only 100 bucks. Some of these pieces are you guessed it, Rocky themed. He's got a really nice one of Frank along with several others that feature Frank shoes, corsets and fish nets. If you do decide to shop for a good cause, be careful not to purchase through the site since the prices are outdated. If you want to purchase anything, contact Chris's agent Deb Kato at Chris Yaar Art at gmail dot com. She will be thrilled to help you make a purchase. We here at Rocky Talky. Wish you the best of luck with your recovery, Chris and I know we'll all be taking a look at your site this week to see which of your pieces we might want to add to our collections. Well, on the topic of things that I'd like to add to my personal collections. Let's talk about meat loaf. You want an old racist guy? I mean, I just, I just really like paradise by a dashboard light. You like the meat? You just like the meat, maybe I'm just hungry. Ok. I got insecure. I didn't finish my Taco Bell. Now, I want some meat loaf. We like the meat. Anyway. Meat loaf made an announcement on social media this Saturday that he's going to be making some TV appearances. His post reads, hope everyone has a great weekend coming soon. Two interviews on American TV, but I am pretty sure everyone can watch them at some point in 2021. 1 of them is Eli Roth's history of horror. One of the films he is featuring this season is Rocky Horror Picture Show. I also want to talk to him about the masters of horror film. I did Peltz directed by Dario Argento, both great great stories. The history of horror interview on the A MC Network. This Halloween 2021. The second interview will air on National Geographic Channel and Disney Plus dealing with my music and pop culture. History of the eighties. Sounds like a lot of fun. God bless and love you all meet. I got, I I got to point out how about you somehow managed to make his incoherent rambling sound like a coherent like sentence of thought. That was baffling. I was reading this along with you going like the fuck is she putting spit? Oh That's how he wanted that to sound me. That's exactly how I met all of my correspondence from now on. You would. So both these interviews sound like a really good time. I've seen a few episodes of Eli Ross's History of Horror series. It's a great watch, especially if you're a horror fan. Uh You'd love it, John Me. So basically each episode deep dives into a different horror movie genre. They cover stuff like haunted houses, zombies, witches and creepy kids and then talk about different movies that include the trope of the week. I wonder what genre they're going to use when they talk about rocky aliens. Maybe the gays there's nothing scarier than the gaze except maybe the plot of the masters of horror movie pelts that Meatloaf mentioned he stardom. I'm just going to give you gentlemen a quick rundown of the cinematic experience. Meatloaf plays a fur trapper who really likes exotic dancers, especially one in particular who he really wants to blink in order to woo her. Meatloaf makes her a fur coat except he accidentally makes a haunted fur coat out of haunted raccoon pelts and of course, a bunch of scary stuff ensues. Wait, wait, wait, wait, the raccoon furs were haunted. Does that mean the raccoons were haunted when they were alive or are the pelts haunted by the ghosts of the dead raccoons? Honestly, that sounds adorable. You have a fur coat that's got ghost raccoons attached to it who get into tiny little mischief with their tiny little raccoon hands. I I mischief. Ok. Well, we don't want to give away the ending, but let's just say it's really, really not adorable. It's actually pretty gruesome. It's a really funny, bad horror movie and definitely worth a watch. If you're into that sort of thing, hearing you people talk about this spooky shit is giving me the creeps. Can we be excited about the music and pop culture history one instead? Well, we don't really know much about that interview beyond the fact that it's going to exist, but we'll definitely keep you and our listeners posted as we learn more sounds good, I guess. Haunted raccoons shaking my head, selling my house, sucking my hands. I gotta tell you me and I actually watched this thing last night and like, oh boy, it is, you know, it is a role written for meat loaf. He plays a huge piece of shit who he's kind of like within the 1st 20 minutes you were just like, oh, if there was any doubt how big of a piece of shit this character is, hold my beer, he's going to be a bigger piece of shit in the next moment. So you just kind of feel good as all these bad things happen to him. I don't know. It's, it's cathartic in that way, smelling more homosexuals, the raccoons aren't ghosts. They're just haunted by the actions of their past. Speaking of haunted by the actions of their past, we're rounding out global news this week with an interesting story. The Taft Museum of Art in Cincinnati, Ohio has just started displaying a legendary Rocky horror costume piece, sort of but not really actually not really at all. Uh You see the museum has just opened an exhibition called Walk This Way, the Stuart Weitzman collection of historical shoes uh interested. No. OK. According to the museum, this exhibition presents footwear in step with labor activism, suffrage and the sexual revolution and will be on view from February 27th through June 6th. Apparently, this collection started as a gift exchange between Stuart Weitzman and his wife. One year, Mrs Weitzman couldn't think of an anniversary gift for her husband and thought to herself for a high fashion designer like Stewart, maybe antique shoes will do. The couple have now collected over 100 pairs of antique and historic shoes. Some of which are on display at this exhibit. Kinky. Ok. So Stewart has a pair of Rocky Horror shoes in his collection. That's pretty cool. Well, sort of see one of the pairs on display that's number 2 57 in the collection to be exact are Terry Deland peep toe platform shoes from around 1972. Their collection description reads celebrities from actress Marlene Dietrich to dancer Carmen Miranda popularized platform shoes in the late thirties and forties by the 19 seventies. Platforms were back in fashion for both women and men. The Glam Rock London shoemaker, Terry DeHaan provided high heeled shoes for gender bending performers including David Bowie and Tim Curry in the Rocky Horror picture Show. So we've got a picture in the Dock, Nicky. Why, why don't you describe what we're looking at here? Ok. I've been really stressed about this the whole recording because I don't know much about shoes, but we're going to give this a whirl. Um There's like a chunky heel and a platform as you do and it has this like silvery trim kind of textured, kind of gorgeous with like red straps coming down and there's an ankle strap. It's it's Frankie. It's definitely like a Frankie shoe. Yeah, I mean, this is, it, it's an open open toed shoe the same way that Franks are. It's got the chunk heel the same way that Franks do. Uh, it's not completely closed over the toes. Right. So, it's, it's slightly different also. It's colored so it's not black and, but the design, I mean, if, you know Frank's shoes, it's, it's that, that look. Right. Yeah, I can, I can definitely see it. I feel like these would be perfect with just a little bit of modification. Right. So these aren't shoes that were worn on stage or anything, but they are from the same line of shoes and around the same time period that the shoes that Frank wears are based on. The funny thing is the designer, uh, Terry Deland still makes shoes that are even closer to Frank's than the ones in the Weitzman collection. They're black leather and the shape is pretty much perfect. Now, caveat this brand is very high end. So you're definitely going to be paying a bit more for a new pair. We're talking in the vicinity of like 400 bucks, but you can pick up a secondhand one on sites like ebay or Posh Mark for around 100 bucks. So, you know, keep your eyes out. Damn, Aaron, you've got the Frank jacket, you found the Frank shoes. Is there something you want to tell us? You gonna be making your uh Frank debut anytime soon. Uh Go fuck yourself. So with that, let's move on to community news first up in community news, we've got another production of the Rocky Horror stage show to look forward to at the end of the year, the Indie on Maine, which is in Kaiser West Virginia is planning to host a production of the Rocky Horror show that will run the last two weekends in October the 22nd and 23rd and the 29th and 30th. So we spoke to the director Hayden Davis who will also be starring in the production as Frank who filled us in about the upcoming performances. Yeah. So something a bit different here, Hayden is planning to work with the original script, the original set design based on designs by Brian Thompson costumes based on those made by Sue Blaine and the O G direction based on what Jim Sharman came up with. Hayden. Let us know that he specifically chose not to go with the nineties stage show, right? Because he felt it lacked a lot of the originals charm. This is not Hayden's first time working with the Rocky Horror show. He and his cast have put on two prior productions of the stage show. So this October will be their third time. He also mentioned that while the stage show is what he knows best, he and a lot of his cast also have some experience with shadow casting. So it'll definitely be interesting to see how that experience gets incorporated into the production if at all. And on a more personal note, Hayden let us know that he has been totally in love with the show throughout his entire life. He first watched a movie when he was only two years old and all through his childhood, he would dress up as Brad and Frank to sing Sweet Transvestite. A, a baby lifer in training. I feel that dude. Yeah, we're all with you. I know some people get a little weird about young kids at the show, but come on, I absolutely love seeing little kids in Rocky costumes, like at conventions and stuff. They're adorable. They always get so excited when their costume matches yours. There's nothing cuter than a little Columbia next to a big Columbia. This show sounds like it's going to be a great time. So if you happen to be anywhere near West Virginia towards the end of October, you should definitely plan to check out this performance if it's of course safe to do so. It's going to be taking place at the Indie on Maine in Kaiser, West Virginia and we will have links to more info in our show notes. So last in community news, R K O and J C C P rebroadcast. Last month's Stream of Repo and Rocky this past Saturday, we're not gonna bore you with another review as we've already covered these performances very thoroughly. But we definitely wanted to shout them out and say, thank you for entertaining us with a late night double feature picture show. Really? You went there. That's what it says right here in the script. I did not write it. I'm just here to have a personality. Let's talk about the dangers of scripting thing. I'm just kidding. They started the broadcast off with some really fun preshow too. Admittedly, we tuned in a bit late last time, so I'm not sure if these were all new or if they were just new to us, but they were super cute. They did a couple of different numbers. I particularly liked the wig and a box one. I like, hey, yeah, a lot. That song is such a classic, classic. I came out when I Yeah, I said what I said these performances were really fun to revisit. Even a rebroadcast. Beats the hell out of No Rocky on a Saturday night. Plus it's always a good time to hang out in the chat and interact with all the other viewers while you watch your friends on screen. Yeah, I don't know why I said it that way. Hey, hey, hey, yeah, big. Thank you to our pals at J C C P and R K O. We loved it and we can't wait to see you hot in person soon. And with that, I think it's time for what it is. Time for Nick. He asks a question, please clap. That was kind of hot. Am I supposed to pay you for that, please? I love how this, this thing is still called. Nicky asks a question where Nicky never asks a question. I've got a few, they're in the back of my brain. They're coming. I just, you know, you know, I'm a busy woman and I have a lot of people do my work for me. Right. Of course. Whatever. All right guys calm down. We're finally getting around to the last write in question we had from Rowan. Ok. So here it goes, Rowan asks a question. Hello. I was wondering why certain changes were made from the original stage show when adapted to film such as but not limited to. Was there any significance changing phantoms to Transylvanian's adding dinner scene, removing certain songs and verses no longer having the joke of Eddie and Doctor Scott being played by the same person. The swap from the events of the story taking place in an abandoned movie theater to now a giant castle. I am just up all night pondering all these questions. Please help. Thanks. 00 damn Rowan. You shit with that mouth. You went from a super specific specific question last week to just blasting away with a shotgun this week. No, I'm here for it. I even know a couple of these. I'm going to take this one boys but it, but it, it's Nicky asks a question. Not this week. You're just going to let her do this, aren't you Aaron? I mean, I think technically it's her segment and, oh, well, Meg approved. So here we go. So many of the changes between the stage show and the movie were attempts to fix the pacing, but they kind of resulted in the opposite. They added in dinner scene as a change of scenery from the lab. Originally in the stage show, Eddie is sung in the lab right after Dr Scott comes in. But in the change from the lab to the dining room for doctor Scott's number, they had to add a whole bunch of time getting the scene established, walking in, standing around, serving the food, standing around some more. The reveal. Columbia wandering off all this before they even got around to singing the song. Dinner was never really intended to be a scene. They just added it to the movie to fix the pacing and it failed miserably in that regard. In addition, it made the timeline confusing with no explanation. I'm sorry, Nikki. What the fuck, yeah. Nicky. How, how about you cite some sources or something? You didn't even quote from Creature of the Night once. Do you even know how to do your own segment? Oh, sure. OK. Literally all of this info comes from the Rocky Talkie podcast episode four, Wen's dinner. How's that for a source? Aaron? Oh Yeah. Yeah. Um That makes sense. Good source. Good source. Good source. Yeah. Guess it all must be true then. Damn good research. Nicky. Yeah. You want to keep going? Uh, how about all those other questions Ronan asked about? Uh, I wouldn't want to show you guys up too bad. I'll let you take those. But no, that I could, if I wanted to, I just don't want to, but I could. Sure you could sweetie, suck a giant dick. Well, speaking of sucking giant dicks, Jim Sharman is the guy who would have all the answers to the questions that keep growing up all night. Oh, come on. Yes, Jim Sherman did direct both the stage show and the movie. And he was ultimately responsible for a lot of the changes between the two in collaboration with Richard o'brien. And for a lot of the questions we're talking about, Brian Thompson also played a really big role. No, no, no. Back to the sucking dick part is Jim Sherman Gay. He is. And as you would expect, it's a big part of his autobiography. And rightly so, I mean, this is a guy who was gay in a time when men could only describe themselves as a confirmed bachelor. Oh, spooky. Spooky Gay. Yeah. Uh His whole life story is really interesting. Uh though I'll admit I've only skimmed certain parts. I haven't gotten around to reading the entire book in full. I bet you've read all the rocky stuff though. Of course, one of my favorite passages comes from really early in Jim Sherman's life when he was a teenager, he had just come home from seeing a theatrical show with his family. And as they sat down for tea, he remembers being particularly thoughtful before announcing, I would like to do that. His father was very alarmed and asked him, you want to be a performer, right? He was terrified of his son's future as an unemployed, narrow do well. And after a pause, Sherman replied, no, there must have been someone who imagined it up. That's what I want to be. I'm 14 and that's deep. Literally. Yeah. Uh For him though, for sure, since that was the moment he decided that he was going to be a prolific stage director, which I, I think we can actually all agree. He, he made good on that one. So anyway, all this info comes pretty much directly from the couple of chapters about Rocky. That's in his autobiography. So there are a couple of major influences on Sharman's vision for the movie Rocky was already modeled on a B movie format from the original stage show. After all, that's the entire framing for the story that is foretold in science fiction, double feature in the original stage show. The opening song is sung by an usherette who stumbled into work at the foreclosed movie theater that the theater upstairs was transformed into. She establishes this whole send up to fifties B movies that permeate through the film. Sharman recalls that during rehearsals for the stage show, he was the one who asked Richard to add the wedding scene and damage Janet. This was partly to establish the characters but also to delay Frank's appearance until around 15 minutes. Their traditional entrance timing for a Hollywood star. One of the biggest cinematic influences for Sharman was the French surrealist masterpiece. Judi, a 19 sixties remake of a silent serial from the early days of cinema itself, originally based on the French comic book Antihero Phantoms, Sharmin Laments, all of Judi is lovingly filmed to evoke the naive techniques of early serials. Beards are false dialogue, stilted shadows fall the wrong way as masked characters scale impossible walls. Scene divisions are announced by Saturday serial type optical cuts and dissolves. Once you're in on the joke, the playful surrealism and the attention to detail are sources of constant delight. I had never seen anything like it and there is no other film quite like it. There is however one film that was greatly influenced by it. The Rocky horror picture show. Hey, he said the thing. Yeah. And you can tell how kind of that weird surrealism was smashed together with Richard o'brien's story inspired by Campy Hammer horror films and Pulp sci-fi. Well, all that stuff and their budget originally, Brian Thompson recalls that Richard and Jim wanted to do a much more sci-fi kind of approach for the movie. But the finances put a quash to that, Jim was offered a bigger budget from the studio if he had cast a bunch of eager and bankable rock stars think Mick Jagger and the like. But instead he happily settled with the B picture budget and the home movie approach. You've got to also remember this was only Jim Sharman's second movie in 1971. He collaborated with Brian Thompson on a little scene, low budget kind of musical called Shirley Thompson versus the Aliens. But that was it. No other experience. There's a really Janky copy of Shirley Thompson versus the Aliens. It's available on youtube and it is absolutely crazy. The number of things you recognize like Jim Sherman must have a thing for girls hanging out on jukeboxes or Brian Thompson just has a hard on for jukeboxes or something that involves fetishism with jukeboxes. This fifties biker gang drags this jukebox around for part of the movie dancing around in some weird hair or like Jesus Christ superstar kind of field. Neither of those references are the least bit surprising. The film also bounces between black and white in color doing the same Wizard of Oz homage that Rocky was conceptualized with, but that would eventually fall through. We need to talk more about that because a lot of stuff like the Transylvanian's were to support the Wizard of Oz theme for sure, seeing stuff in Shirley Thompson that is later echoed in Rocky and Shock treatment is so weird. You know, the Ring of filing cabinets in Cosmo Nations office and shock treatment. Yeah, Brian Thompson did the exact same trick here in Shirley Thompson also, you know, the entirety of lullaby, the way that that's one single long shot going across and then coming back, same fucking shot is in Shirley talk like I'm, I'm gonna put these together on youtube. It is uncanny how identical. Apparently Jim Sherman only knows four shots. There's was also a fairly long segment that's just a close up of some lips, which is a familiar sight to any Rocky fan. Though Sharman and Thompson both agreed that the inspiration for the opening lips in Rocky was a Man Ray painting that Thompson had in his flat, not the spongebob villain, I should clarify. It was not a painting of the spongebob villain. Is there a spongebob villain named Man Ray? Yes, there is. All right. All right. So all this is to say, a lot of the weird changes from the stage show to the movie were just things that Jim Sharman and Brian Thompson had already been messing around with on film. This was only their second film together and they were fairly inexperienced. This sentiment was echoed by many members of the crew. They were doing a send up to the stuff they liked. It was the Hammer horror films that inspired Richard o'brien, their influence leading to the decision to swap the movie theater for the Scary Real Castle of Oakley Court did you guys know that the castle is now a hotel Sharman. On the other hand, was more enamored with Alfred Hitchcock and the surrealist films, stuff like Beyond the Valley of the dolls. He mentioned one of his favorites Peeping Tom that he was introduced to by Little Nell, a movie where the act of filmmaking is presented as eroticized murder and sexual violation. It's, it, it, it's, it's about a, a movie camera that's got a knife inside of it. He, he makes it sound way more than it is. A lot of the other changes from the stage show are filmmaking conveniences or attempts to adapt stage show style pacing to film several lines and verses of songs were chopped. The only explanation anyone has given attributes these changes to having being made for pacing. But Wizard of Oz, let's talk about that. I mean, where to start so much of the adaptation and design was centered around this Wizard of Oz concept. That's why the Transylvanian's are all at the wedding and they're the same people who are in the castle hell, the Transylvanian themselves were added because they just needed to fill up the screen. You see the stage show worked really well with only a handful of performers in a really tight space. But this was the first time that Jim Sharman was making a 35 millimeter film. And he found himself faced with the dilemma of how to fill all of that space the big giant cavernous sets and a 30 ft screen for the wedding. The Transylvanian's are all dressed really drab because it was intended to be shot in black and white. Similarly, once at the castle, they're all dressed in their formal wear with bold colors. But that's just for the dramatic reveal when the movie was supposed to switch into color. Right? So you're supposed to go, oh. Oh, those weren't just dressed up guests. They are weird guests. So funny. I think we can see why it's best to leave the Wizard of Oz and Oz. It's not just that though. There's still plenty more that remains from Oz in the movie. If you've ever wondered why the choruses and time warp are weirdly sped up in those high pitched voices. That was Richard Hartley's choice. He did it as a throwback to the munchkins from Wizard of Oz. That's why it sounds so different from the stage versions. The Transylvanian's in general were a sticking point for Richard o'brien. He didn't like their inclusion, but he confessed that he took a back seat and let Sharman take the wheel for the movie. So there was this interview and Richard had once said Sharman's going to shoot the movie. Why should I write the screenplay and write scenes that he doesn't want, he's got his own vision for this. So I just let him sit there and tell me how he saw he was going to shoot it and I dutifully shaped the screenplay to suit his shooting needs. Several others would bemoan the inclusion of the Transylvanian Peter Blake, one of the most prolific stage Franks would go so far is to say, why put them in? They ruin. What is a very scary plot development? Imagine you're Brad and Janet, you break down miles from nowhere in the middle of a storm and seek shelter in a place that's so scary. Even Satan would shit his pants. It's a castle straight out of Hammer House of Horror. I think that's super fair. Like it's way more sinister for Brad and Janet to be the only outsider to see Frank's lab and then to witness the birth of like I can see why Blake felt that the Transylvanian's kind of dumbed down the terror to be fair. You kind of needed them for the wedding scene. There's yet another Wizard of Oz homage there with Frank Magenta Columbia and Riff playing the church workers and the black and white thing is yet again carried through into Brian Thompson's designs especially for the ballroom. All the walls were dull and gray and the copies of Leonardo Da Vinci's Mona Lisa that adorned the walls are in black and white something nobody would have noticed till the movie jumped into color with Frank's entrance in the rainbow at the end while the castle is blasting off another Wizard of Oz reference. They are just all over the place. I mean as our references to so many other tidbits of pop culture and the films that inspired Rocky, like it's really an amalgamation of ideas shoved into a blender and splattered onto the screen in the best way possible. It's not really an all worthy statement. But regardless, that's our show, we want to thank our friend Rowan for writing in. We love you two bits. You're so hot and we really appreciate how much support you always show our show. Yeah, thanks so much Rowan for another fabulous question. We can always count on you for great ideas that I would never even consider researching on my own. 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No, I know the song but I feel like I've never said the name. I feel like it should be. Hey. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Is just the way they OK, whatever upsetting. OK. I am just up all night pondering all these questions. Please help. Thanks. Oh Duke, please help. Thanks X O X O Duke. Hold on. I can't get this out. I think he hears me saying help and he's freaking out. I've said that before. Please help. Thanks. O X O. Do I just X 00? Ok, to turn on. I, I'm aware, I'm aware, I'm sorry for my son. He's very temperamental. Do you have headphones in? Oh damn it. I was going to yell help and see if it was going to make him bark. Well, he freaks out like if I say help me, he'll attack whoever is standing next to me. What a good dog. But in the change from the lab to the Duke, we talked about this. They just added it to the movie to fix the pacing. They just added it to the movie to fix the pacing and it failed miserably. It's Duke and it failed miserably in that regard and it failed miserably in that regard. In addition, it made the time I'm trying my best. In addition, it made the time line confusing with no explanation. Take your fucking line, John, I'm sorry, Nicky. What the fuck? Hold on, Duke. I'm 14 and that's deep. Hold on, Duke. I'm 14 and that's deep. I like this. But the finances put a quash to that. That's a word. Yeah, I fucking hate the way you guys make me sound. I sound so smart and it's gross. Show. Our show, show, our show show, our show, Duke. Also, we are on Facebook, Instagram and tiktok all at Rocky Talky Podcast. So please go check this out if you like us. Hello, Duke, sorry, Duke came to your house. Duke traveled across state borders. Yeah, he's, I almost hung up the call instead of stopping recording. I was just like peace.