Hello to all of you. Unconventional conventions out there. Welcome to Rocky Talkie, the podcast about anything and everything. Rocky Horror. I'm Aaron and that's it. It's just us this week. That's all we got. I hope we're, I think we're uh we're definitely enough. We might be too much often, often. Yeah. No, Jacob and John are off exploring the nether regions of their pants this week. So it is just us. You're gonna have to put up with our delightful banter this afternoon. But uh yeah, we're so excited you could join us and uh let's get into it. Oh, oh, I'm forgetting. But before you do, what, what do you do, sweetie? What have you been up to? Oh my God. What have I been up to? Um So here's a fun story about us. Some, some insight into our lives. You should probably go first because you are away this week. You're in North Carolina. I am, my uh my parents are down in North Carolina. My uh dad got hit by a truck and that is not a metaphor, a euphemism or any kind of uh fun thing. No, he got hit by a truck. Everything's fine. He's good. A few broken ribs. Uh, but I had to come down here, help out a little bit. Uh, so we are recording this, uh, instead of a few rooms apart, a few states apart. Yeah. So, um, what I've been doing this week since you've been gone. We had a show on Monday, uh, at Labor Day at our wicked lady. It was a really fun rooftop show. And since then I have been holed up in our apartment in Manhattan. All alone. I don't know if it's day or night outside because we don't have any windows and also it's raining nonstop. So it's like the same shade of gray out there. Uh, time doesn't exist anymore. It's just me and the animals chilling the apartment super clean, which is a lot of fun. Um, yeah, but I, I have just, I've gone feral, I've gone fully feral and I sleep when I'm tired and I work when slack pings me and I haven't been outside since Monday, which is fun. I do have some new cast interviews lined up for tomorrow. I'm going to do that with John. It's supposed to be pretty nice weather. So I'm really excited to like, see the sun and have to be a person you're gonna put on some pants. No, probably not. But, you know, don't, I mean, they're not even, they're not on cast yet. You don't, you don't need to do anything special. Oh, but it, it'll be good. I'm looking forward to it. Uh, we definitely need to bring some new blood onto the cast because it's Halloween season already. September the first hit. That means it's Halloween and we are in full Halloween mode. Absolutely. I know. Uh, we had some guests in town this weekend too. Right. Yeah. Yeah, we had Justin come hang out at the house. Um, just, just to chill this weekend. We had a lot of fun. They, they got together with, um, with me with Michelle, our friend Michelle pair Lola Montez who does all the crazy art and one of our other cast members, Eric and we did photo shoots and they were incredible. They were so much fun. Justin did our makeup. We went out clubbing and then, um, Eric came by one of the days and we took pictures all up and down Fifth Avenue. He was dressed like this eighties punk rock star. I'm sure you'll see these pictures all over on social media once they go up. And, uh we took those pictures in Central Park too. They were so much fun. All the tourists were like gawking at us. Um Yeah, plus we got to go clubbing. That was and to offset the uh the tiny, tiny statue of Justin Ogre was in town as well. Yes, Ogre was here. He came up for our show on Labor Day and it was so funny. It timed out so perfectly. He happened to be in the city, uh just on some family business and he wanted to hang before the show as you do when you're in town. And Rocky is happening. And it just so happened that I was teaching Eddie to one of our newest performers, Shelby and was like, hey, you guys around and I was like, yeah, hey, you want to teach Eddie? So Shelby ended up getting the best Eddie tutorial. Any new performer could ask for. It was really, really funny to watch them learn the dance together because Shelby is five ft three and there's a little tiny bit of a height disparity there, but it was fun to watch and Shelby did a great job and it was very sweet for ogre to be able to see his new apprentice on stage for the first time right after he taught them. So that was great. That's fantastic. I'm a little sad that I wasn't up there. I uh I may have been doing Eddie for almost 20 years at this point, but uh I'd take a brush up session with ogre. Like next time. Man's fucking awesome. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we like, stayed up till four o'clock in the morning. Just shit. Talking about scary movies and our favorite like slash or Fix. It was a lot of fun. Definitely not talking about Rocky horror community drama. I'm sure. Absolutely not. Actually, we talked about every single cult horror movie we have ever seen and liked and really not about Rocky horror stuff at all. It was a really nice break. I believe it. I believe it. All right guys with that. Let's kick it on over to some global news. All right guys, first up in global news, this one's really exciting. We have a new announcement from the company Golden Goose who is managing all of the merchandizing rights for the 50th anniversary for the Rocky Horror stage show. Oh, our apartment's gonna be even more filled with Rocky Shit. Well, maybe let's run down this announcement. And it, it was really interesting because a couple of months ago the announcement came out that this uh Golden Goose was going to be running the merchandizing rights, you know, uh for the 50th anniversary for the stage show. They had, they had announced that there were a couple of companies that were, they were talking to. Um, but we finally got a little bit more information. Uh This was teased out just the other day and they said, yeah, Golden Goose announced that they have new license agreements in place with some companies. They've got first and foremost, the name that they dropped is a bag costume company called Sniffy. Um And they do kind of discount Halloween uh spirit Halloween kind of bag costumes right now. They don't have a lot of Rocky horror stuff. I did like a search online. They have a, you know, a couple of sequin bow ties. They've got like some fish nets and some underwear. They do have a gold, like foil dot tail coat. They have some gold shorts. But aside from that, not a lot of rocky horror stuff, they have like a sexy maid lingerie kind of thing. Nothing licensed. Nothing that really has to do with the show. It's just sort of stuff that's vaguely tagged. So it looks like we might be getting some new, at least some new bag costumes, which honestly aren't a bad place to start. I know that Buffalo recently dropped some, some videos on their social media about starting with bad costumes and using them as a base or even using them like on stage because there's no wrong way to Rocky and we don't gotta get uppity about the bad costumes. So I think it'll be nice to have some new, like fresh meat in that kind of situation. Pipe dream here though. Maybe, maybe, maybe we will actually get some premium costumes. Right. You know, those kind of higher end Halloween style costumes. The ones you got to spend, I don't know, a couple of 100 bucks for. That'd be really cool. I don't know what you'd even do with that though. Like, of course, it's not just a piece of fabric. Like that would be pretty nice. I mean, even if we could get some corsets that are lined or something, even if they got plastic boning. How easy is it to take the boning out and swap it out for steel. Like, honestly, that's an hour long job. Or, you know what dream scenario. Maybe these are wigs. That'd be cool. Right. Some actual wigs that don't suck. Wigs would be pretty incredible. Well, we're, we're just speculating, we're just speculating here. They haven't announced anything as far as what's gonna be coming out. Just that Sniffy, that's the costume company is gonna be handling some of the merchandizing and interestingly because it's the Rocky Horror show, right? And not the Rocky Horror picture show. Maybe we're gonna get some bag costumes based on the stage show. That would be neat. That would be cool as fuck. Because the stage show stuff is more modernized, which is a lot of fun and it would be cool to see some of that like brought into the zeitgeist. I feel like our community is already really doing away from like the screen, accurate, screen accurate. So again, getting some kind of new modern takes in there would be good. Yeah. All you rockies out there. Get ready to have your leopard print thong. Yeah. Really? Uh Which I'm totally here for, I will say I'm scrolling through the Miffy website right now and they've got some nicer stuff, but I don't see anything here that I would classify as a deluxe costume. So what you will, it, it, it's all uh what do you call it? Foil dot kind of sequin material? Um but they, they seem to be pretty clear that they have a, uh, a wide variety of fish nets and stockings and things. So, we'll see, we'll see what comes of this. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Second on the list that was announced as part of this, uh, press release. Uh, we're gonna get some comic books, uh, put out by Dark Horse comics. That's exciting. And I wonder if that's new stuff or if that's reprinting of the O G comics? Do we know who published those? I don't think it was Dark Horse, but they may have been acquired at some point, the original company that did them, who really knows again, this is Rocky Horror Show, not Rocky Horror picture Show. So I don't know if there's crossover there and we might just be reprinting them. Boy, would I kill to see a Rocky horror show comic? That would be something new and interesting. That would be really cool. Wow. What would you even do with that? I feel like there's so many possibilities here. Like, I don't even know where to start speculating because it's a stage show, you know? Right. Right. I mean, and they've made it really clear in all of these press releases, this is the company that's handling the 50th anniversary of the stage show. So everything's kind of on the table including extremely high shipping costs over here to the US. Absolutely. Because this is all coming from the UK even these costumes are in, like the Queen's great British Pounds money. Yeah. So they also announced, uh, wrapping this up that new licenses were granted for clothing, apparel, figurines and even pinball and slot machines. Now, that last one was crazy to me because aren't all pinball machines basically made in New Jersey pretty much. I mean, there is one company, maybe there's two, but I, I'm only really aware of one or two companies in the US that make pinball machines. They're all based out in New Jersey. There's so few people that make them anymore. Uh slot machines. We've seen a lot more of uh that was one of the first episodes we ever did, talking about all the video games and, and digital games, right? That uh Rocky stuff exists in and there was a Rocky horror slot machine released. I don't know, I wanna say it was 10, 15 years ago. Um But it was, again, it was Rocky horror picture show themed, not Rocky horror show themed. So if they're gonna do a stage show version, maybe we'll get lines from the stage show cast, maybe we'll get the stage show version of music in some of these. I'm very excited for this. And uh sweetie, I hate to tell you it. But um if they come out with a Rocky horror show pinball machine, we might have to rearrange the apartment some more. You might have to get rid of some of your existing Rocky Horror merchandise to make room for a pinball machine because those things aren't small. I don't know. We've got a bar in the living room that I could trade out. All right, this is a fight for on air a different time. So Golden Goose's director, Adam Bass stated that given the strength of the character and the obvious love for the musical from generations of fans, it's now the time for Rocky Horror Show licensed products to take center stage. This is cool. This is reinforcing, this is gonna be stage show licensed Merch. I imagine that we're going to get a ton of 50th anniversary stuff for the movie in a couple of years, three years. Um but wow, like there hasn't been a huge push for actual stage show, Merch Ice in quite some time and I think that it sounds like that's what they're doing here. Their product director Rebecca Dalton also teased, um we're developing a stunning new style guide that will establish the Rocky Horror Show as a force to be reckoned with for the 50th anniversary in many years to come. So it does sound like there are new redesigns and new reimagining and things happening for this merchandise, like you're saying, because it's the stage show I would imagine. And also because like it's the 50th time for a revamp, which is going to be very, very cool. Right. I mean, they've been using that same Columbia logo, the same circular Richard o'brien, you know, kind of look for all of the stage show marketing for probably the last at least five years, I think. Um, it, it's kind of, it's, it's modern but it's still starting to look a little dated. I'm very excited to see what a rebrand happens with this. And when they're talking about a style gu, I mean, my inner nerd just goes, oh, what are you gonna do? Are we gonna have a new font? Are we gonna have new logos or are we gonna have, you know what, what's going on? Maybe, maybe we're not gonna have Columbia as the center figure anymore. Maybe it's time for Frank to actually be the uh I don't know, I don't know what they're gonna do, but I think that any kind of, you know, announcements about this, they really get me hyped. I feel like Riff Raff would be a good center logo, right? I feel like Christian Lavers is the most iconic one of the stage show of the last million years. So I think it would be cool to like pay homage to him if they're doing a whole thing for it, you know, a whole rebrand, it would be neat to kind of make him front and center because he's been like holding the thing up for as long as he's been doing it. He's the longest running cast member, like by a wide margin, right? Yeah, I'm also really curious if we kind of see a melding of the stuff that we've seen from the UK tour and from the European tour, right? You have two very, very kind of different looks that have been going on over the last, you know, decade or so. The UK tour and the European tour, they just kind of, uh they're very similar but they have kind of different feels in both their design, their costuming the, the colors, the way that they're promoted and uh maybe we're gonna see some kind of unification across those. Uh Obviously, this is all still speculation. But if I'm sitting there in the marketing department and I'm trying to figure out how to promote the 50th. Well, I think that probably a global brand consolidation. That would make sense to me. Yeah, I mean, we live in hope I'm here for like a Japanese Rocky horror rest stylization personally, but oh God, they do the weirdest shit. I know they're so fun. Their book recently that they put out was great. Go look at it. All right. Is that I, I I gotta say, is that your favorite piece of Rocky Merch? Like if there's one thing and you know, we don't have to just stick to figurines, which by the way, I'm super excited about that, they mentioned figurines in this list. That's super cool. But like if we're not, not just right. Yeah, like we all need more ducks. But if we're not just talking the things they listed. What, what would be your, like, dream piece of Rocky Merch that could come out for the 50th specifically for the State show specifically for the stage show. Um Honestly, it probably would be something leaning more towards what they're doing for the Japanese tour just because it's so weird and it's so different and it's, it's bright, it's poppy, it's not that same kind of goy rocky horror that we like. We know. I like the bright colors. I like how loud their stuff is. So I think if they took things even like a step to the right, if I may in that sort of direction, I think that would be really fun. I know I had to, it came into my head and I was like, now is the time, the time is now. No, I love that. I think it would be really cool. Maybe something more like that. The German uh version of the show that's going on right now, right? That one that did like all the pastels and that big, like, bright color wall. Yeah. Something cool that, that ties into that. I, I think for me it's gotta be, I mean, it's got to be some kind of high-end figure, right? Like I, I, I'm a, I'm a nerdy little collector at heart. You, you put a really, really, really well crafted and sculpted model inside of some plastic and I will never open it and be very happy to hang it on my wall. All right. That's fair. I, I shouldn't have expected anything else from you but like, fuck collectibles if they can give us a new flavor to latch on to as a community and like, run with just to add something, you know, a little bit different to our shows. I think that would be fun. That would be the most interesting for me. Or just give me like little low end items. Right? I would love like an official set of Rocky Horror. Frank Pearls. Why not? They're easy. They're cheap. You put a tag on a bulk set of, of pearls and I'll give you 20 bucks for them. Like Columbia pajamas. Give me officially licensed Columbia pajamas. So I don't have to buy stripes if we're ever 21. Well, you know, they're gonna be stage show Columbia pajamas. So that's fine. They're screen accurate. Well, they're stage accurate even better. All right. What else we got? All right. Next up in global news. Uh, we're not going to talk about Rocky Horror, but we are going to talk about Tim Curry. Kind of kind of, we've got some interesting clue news that dropped this last week. I'm so excited for this. I've been seeing all kinds of clue shit run around in different articles and none of them ever say anything about anything or have any actual news whatsoever. So, to get two pieces this week was a lot of fun. I'm very excited about it. Yeah, it seems like Hasbro is kind of being a bit of a slut and licensing out the clue property to whoever will come and take it. And, uh, you know, we, we are gonna chat in one second about how big of a fucking slut has borough is. Like, let's keep going. But I want you to remember this moment and the, they're, they're pure Christian virgins compared to how big of a slut they actually are. All right. Well, first up, we've got an announcement uh that Ryan Reynolds has signed on to star in a clue remake. Ok? I mean, I'm not usually here for remakes of movies I love, but Ryan Reynolds can't really do much wrong. So a character listing hasn't been announced for him yet, but it's, he's a star, right? So he's got to be Wadsworth, I would imagine and what a perfect wads worth he would be so funny, like the way that he does that fucking deadpan comedy is perfect for that role. I mean, it's perfect for clue in general because it's all deadpan comedy. But man, if I could pick anyone to take over and like follow in Tim Curry's footsteps for that role, I don't think I could find an actor who would be better suited. Oh, absolutely. I mean, we've known that there's been a clue remake kind of in the pipeline shopped around all the Hollywood studios for the last couple of years, but like you said, every time there's an announcement about it, it's vague. It's, oh somebody signed something like, and it's never any announcement like this, this feels like there might actually be some kind of hype, some kind of momentum building towards it and especially when they start announcing big stars attached. I mean, that, that's exciting. Yeah. Um So there was a first draft of a script written by a writer, Paul Weick who collaborates with Ryan Reynolds pretty often and it was written uh some time ago, like some vague time ago and there is a script rewrite currently happening. Uh And it's being rewritten by Oren Uzi who recently wrote The Lost City and that movie did really, really well earlier this year. So he's spearheading the script right now. And that announcement in conjunction with the announcement of Ryan Reynolds, I think means that there might actually be some momentum on this project. It's worth getting hype about. Uh There hasn't been a timeline made public yet, but hopefully something's in the works. I'm here for it. No, sign me up. So, speaking of more clue news. Welcome to the Clue Podcast, everybody. Uh It turns out that there is also an animated series in the work for clue. Yeah. What the fuck this article was dropped by Gizmodo this last week. And they were very, very clear that although there's not a lot of information about the series yet, it is distinctly and completely different from Ryan Reynolds Clue Remake. They even dropped his name in the article. They were like that one that you heard about with Ryan Reynolds. Not this, this is a different one. I mean, that's ridiculous. What are they gonna do? Just shuffle up the people and the places and the things and like, just have a different murderer in a different location with a different object. That's dumb. Like, why, why would you even do that? The thing that gives me hope about this project specifically is that it's being executive produced and written by a guy named Dwayne Perkins who is a second city improv actor. He was with them for a long time. He was one of the head writers for Brooklyn 99 and the Amber Ruffin show. So he's worked on a bunch of shit. That's like actual legit funny stuff. Oh, I mean, we loved Brooklyn 99 like that, that show beautiful. Um And if he was involved with that, I have some pretty good faith. Now, did they say anything about, like, what network this might be brought to or who they're doing it for? No, no, not a thing. We know it's Dwayne Perkins and we know that he's been working on some cool projects recently. Any second city that's nothing to sneeze at. Like that's the comedy training ground for anybody who wants to be anybody in comedy. Well, it sounds pretty good. It sounds like there's something interesting brewing there. Yeah. And, um, why don't you go and read this last little bit that I wrote about has brew. All right. Well, it turns out Hasbro has a lot of irons in the fire right now. In addition to clue, they also have films based on dungeons and dragons. Furby G I, Joe Monopoly and Plato all in production. Plato. What are you gonna do with Plato? You know what? They can make? No idea. I hope it's being executive produced by like, I don't know, James Cameron or something like play by James Cameron. We have a million colors. They are all blue. All right. Well, I mean, out of that list, I think clue is probably one of the better properties that they could be Hoing out. So, especially for an E D. Well, yeah. No, I mean, you could do some fun D and D stuff but I mean, that's got such a community around it that like nobody's gonna be happy with what you come up with no matter how good it is. But clue at least. Right. Like it's got all the recipes for an animated series for a series of episodes, right? Like everyone can be different, they can, you know, you can use the same kind of overarching plot and like all this kind of, I'm, I'm cool with Clue Furby. I don't, I don't even know what you would do with that is furby even relevant anymore. I mean, there are all those videos on youtube of people making like horrible nightmare fuel things with Furbies. I did love that pipe organ. Did you guys see that guy who made a pipe organ out of Furbys? And they all sang in different. That was creepy as shit. We might need to make some room in our apartment. Get rid of your pinball machine. We're getting a furby organ. Well, I mean, at least it's going to be better than monopoly, right? If I want to watch that, I might as well just turn on CNN. Yeah, you're right. I don't have anything funny to say about that. That seems like a downer. Speaking of long forgotten pop culture icons like Furby and G I, Joe Fern Gully has its 30th anniversary this year. I never saw Fern Gully. Uh and I know that it came out shortly after I was born. So that's horrible. And I hate that that anniversary is coming up for me because I'm ya wow. It was one of my favorite movies when I was a kid. And uh well, maybe this is the time for you to watch it because a new four K restoration of the film was released in late August to celebrate the film's 30th anniversary. Uh Obviously, for those of you out there who might be young and New Bile, you do not remember that this movie starred Robin Williams, Christian Slater, Samantha Mathis, Tim Curry and Chi Chi Chong along a lot of other very talented voice actors. This thing, I love this movie when I was a kid and I mean, I probably haven't watched it in over 20 years. I might have to pick this thing up and check it out. Tim Curry has always been the draw for me. Like, if I were ever to sit down and make an evening of it, it would be specifically because everyone I've spoken to who, like, grew up with this movie, like, had to leave the theater because they were so scared of Tim curry and, and that does it for me. And I feel like that would be a lot of fun because he is a scary guy. I, what is his role in the movie for those of us who are, he is the voice of the evil, like, uh, oil slick monster, the, uh, the, the representation of the evil, uh, corporations that are chopping down all of the rain forests and he's the, the, the toxic sludge that is, uh, taking over everything. Ok. All right. So the movie is about deforestation, right? It's right there in the title. It's called Fern Gully. That doesn't mean anything to me. Those are made up. Words like a gully of ferns. Huh? Maybe, maybe that's how influential this was on me that I just kind of think that like, oh, yes. No, it's a, um, I love this film. I watched it a ton. My parents were probably very sick of hearing about it when I was little. Um I mean, because this thing, this thing came out in 1992 right? Like I let's not mix words here. I was only six years old when this thing came out. Um But I was definitely the target audience to be scared by Tim Curry in this one and he did, he scared the absolute crap out of me. The songs in it are so, so so good. Uh And, and yeah, like and not just that, like this is a very well animated movie. Well, you know, back in 1992 when this was released, uh they didn't have digital animation. All of the illustrations were drawn by hand. I learned as I was researching, they drew 100 and 50,000 cells to make this movie, which is 38 miles of art if you laid them end to end, which is so long. Yes. But how many Frank jackets is that? Oh my God. I don't know how much is an art sell worth from the movie Fern Gully? Probably lots of Frank jackets. I don't know. I mean, if you were, if you were to measure a Frank jacket side to side and then you were lay them end to end, I mean, how many just you seem to really know your frank jacket? Uh math. So I'm just not to put you on the spot, but how many is it. Who's Frank Jacket Tim's or yours? All right. So, uh this brand new four k, digitally restored version is now available on Amazon and Shout Factory. If you want to relive your childhood, or maybe you just want to relive my childhood. If you want to relive my childhood. Check out once upon a forest. That's a similar, I think it's a spoof knockoff movie where they gas a whole bunch of animals at the very beginning. No, that movie is just plain fucked up. I did not remember. Like I remember we had this conversation, I don't know, a couple of years ago where we were like, both of us had that as like tip of our tongue like this movie exists, but we weren't sure about it. We found it online one night and we started watching it. We were just like, nope nightmare fuel. It was horrific. Yeah, I watched that one instead. So I'll check out Fun Gully and compare. I wonder if it's like the same, if it hits the same like scary part of my brain or if it's like, oh, this is nothing. Well, we'll have to find out and all you guys out there that love Fern Gully. It's your time to shine. Go check it out 30th anniversary brand new Blu Ray. 38 miles of art. And I think with that it's gonna take us on over to community news. So first up in community news, we are saying Goodbye to a very historic theater and a home to a long time Rocky Cast, the Rialto in Ray North Carolina. That's Raleigh, North Carolina. What did I say? I don't know, but it was wrong. Anyway, the owner of the Rialto Bill Peebles is retiring after running the local theater for 30 years after he graduated with a bachelor's degree in engineering and started his life as a hardware and software designer. So he clearly took the more lucrative and successful of those two paths. Good for him. But yeah, he said that uh retiring came with a bit of mixed feelings. He said, quote, I'm very pleased with what we've done over the last 32 years. I'm going to miss the fiercely loyal patrons, the great staff we've assembled. But at the same time on to the next chapter, when asked about what the future holds, he commented, I'll let you know what I do tomorrow. Good for him. Live your life. Bill Peebles. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, 32 years, that's no, no small accomplishment. And uh it sounds like the real had a really great run. Yeah. Honestly keeping a fucking theater alive for 32 years is nothing to sneeze at independent theater. It's ridiculous, right? Like in this academy, seriously. Well, the Rialto is gonna be suspending its operations as they undergo a change in management. There are a couple of groups who are interested in carrying on the theater's legacy. Nobody has been picked yet. I think that's still in the works and the changeover is gonna take some time. So they are shutting their doors for the time being while they figure out that situation. And as part of the final hurrah for the low down cheap little punks cast, uh they did three back to back screenings of the film to bid farewell to the theater's weekly tradition. And of course, each screening was full of costumes. A p and throw balls and the theater allowed everything except for water. Interestingly enough, Bill has a funny story for that. Why don't you go ahead and read it? So, Bill said when we renovated the theater, we resurfaced the theater floor great for cleaning up. But when it gets wet, it gets slippery. Me too. We told the rocky kids no water guns. But you know how kids are, they hear what you say and then immediately ignore you. Well out come the squirt guns so they can have rain in the theater. They go running down the aisles and turn left and boom. We have a football tackle pile of 30 people who didn't make that turn after that. No water guns. He does go on to comment though. We've allowed the cast a lot of freedom to do what they want to do. They have the freedom to make the show what they will. And I think that's why it's as special as it is so clearly he's letting them, you know, make their choices and learn from their decisions as you do. That's what Rocky's for, you know, make your poor decisions and learn from them. But no, it sounds like, uh, the lowdown, cheap little punks had a fantastic run in this theater. Hopefully they can continue on with the new management. Obviously, there's a lot of conversations that have to happen there, there's no announcements that anyone has made about that and it's gonna take some time to sort this stuff out. So we of course, wish all of you fabulous folks down in North Carolina a good luck in finding a new home or maybe uh working it out with the management uh that takes over. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like anyone who's coming into this space will probably hopefully have, have some reverence for the, the historic stuff that's been going on there. Um It sounds like the people who were kind of interested in taking over this theater probably have some reverence and some respect for the good work that the theater has done for the community. Hopefully, Rocky Horror will be part of what's maintained about the theater's legacy. Absolutely. Best of luck to you all you guys and uh you know, see you on the flip side next up in community news and this one is hot, hot, hot off the presses. This just happened today. Literally today there's a new Facebook costuming group that has been started up. Uh and I can hear you out there going. Another Facebook group. No, no, no. This one's got credentials behind it. It was started by the community's own Mina. You know, Minna of Columbia's Closet, Minna created the group with the message, hey folks, I'm loving the Frank and Eddie Jacket group but wanted something more comprehensive. I live in a rocky horror dead zone as it were. But I hope to still travel and connect with the greater community though. I took Columbia's closet Facebook page down a couple of years ago. The website blog is still active. I do still love all things costuming. Please invite anyone you think would love to join this group and there are already some pretty big names. We've got Ruth, we've got Becky, we've got Nick and Furter in here. Lots of people already posting good stuff. Absolutely. I mean, I know that there are some smaller Facebook groups out there dedicated to costuming specific characters. Uh But this seems like it's gonna be a really great resource for anybody who's kind of looking at the broader picture or wants a wider audience for just Rocky Horror costuming in general. Uh You've got all of the experts here. If you miss the con panel, this is where you're gonna find all those wonderful folks that were talking about all that stuff. So I would definitely check it out if you need an invite to the group. Well, we just gave you a list of names, hit somebody up or hit me or eye up. We'll be sure to send you an invite. I'm excited for this. I think it's great. I'm so pumped for this. Oh my God. Literally, this group went up today and already we've got people posting things that they made off based of different patterns which I think they're, they're willing to provide assistance with if anyone is interested in recreating them. We've got Frank gauntlets, we've got Frank Corsets. We've got space suits. Min is posting about different fabric that she's using for space suits and most spicily of all in my opinion because this has been something that I have been poking my nose about has been um Colombia sequence where the fuck do we get Colombia sequins? Now, does anybody have any leads on Columbia sequins for those of you who may not be as plugged into the costuming community as some of us, both Larry and the satin worshipers are all out of their Columbia fabric. That's right. If you are looking to sequent a Columbia Boser, I hope you can find an old ratty one somewhere that you can pilfer the fabric off of because you can't get any new anymore. And that's one of the first topics that came up in here is what are we as a community going to do about it? Are we gonna order some more? Are we going to find somebody who can manufacture it? A lot of the manufacturers that were making this stuff disappeared during the pandemic. A lot of them were based out of China and they just dropped off the face of the planet. So what are we gonna do? We've got a lot of people that are very, very willing to put up, you know, the funds that are willing to, you know, distribute to take orders all this kind of stuff. But the manufacturing process is a little opaque, pardon the pun uh for everyone out there. And also the it seems like the industry, the costuming industry has kind of really shifted away from the specific materials that the Columbia Bossier is made of, right? They're the the the small six millimeter sequins that they aren't really making as much anymore and they're certainly not making them in these colors and patterns and putting them on fabric. So that's the first topic you got any insights go on over there, let us all know, I'm willing to open my wallet and throw as much money as possible at this thing to make sure that we can get bolts of fabric made and that the community can still have access to this wonderful, pretty, pretty, pretty Colombia Bossier fabric, right? I mean, how do you make New Colombia? Now, we're just, we're at a standstill for New Colombia and I need New Colombia. It's Halloween, you guys. So we got to solve this problem. If anybody has any leads on any fabric manufacturers, let us know. Hit up this group. Let's throw money at this bitch so we can on board New Colombia and it'll be a Halloween miracle for all the Rocky horror picture show casts out there. And while we're on the social media bandwagon, we got a brand. What? That was a great transition. That was a great transition. I know. Right. I'm fucking awesome at this. Anyway, Tony Zuzu and Mark Jabara have added a brand new figures and toys section to Oz Rocky horror dot com. Now we've referenced this website a million fucking times. If you're interested in anything related to Rocky Horror, you need to go check it out. Mark has a billion photos of every single stage show and every single production and programs and pictures and cast lists and charts and diagrams and stage models and literally if there is something that you're interested in related to the early days of the Rocky Horror stage show, this is the place. Not just that though, Tony Piu, probably one of the biggest Rocky Horror collectors out there. If not the biggest uh has been updating constantly with brand new information about all of the different merchandise and collectibles that have come out over the years. This is where when I need to go look something up and go, what year did the French V H S come out? This is where I go and check and there's gonna be a box cover art. Well, now there's a brand new section specifically related to Figures and toys and, oh boy sweetie, you know how I I am for toys. We need more toys. I know I went on here and I looked and I went, what the fuck do you mean that? There's three different ducks? I'm only aware of two ducks. There's three ducks, sweetie. You know, we don't need more ducks. The last thing we fucking need in our house is more Rocky Horror Ducks because we already have too many Rocky Horror Ducks. Is there anything on this website that perhaps we could use to like add some diversity to our Rocky Chachi collection? I'm not gonna lie to you. I pretty much already have most of these. Um Although there are some other interesting things that were posted on here. Uh specifically stuff about the different variations on some of the uh the figures that came out, the different packaging that they were used in, found out that I only have one of the box sets and not both of the box sets. So that's something I'm gonna be looking for on ebay. Don't any of you out there snipe me on it. But yeah, no, this is fantastic. It's just another wealth of information that uh is finally being cataloged, right? I mean, and made accessible to everybody out there. So very excited that Tony and Mark have been putting this together. And uh yeah, if you're interested in collecting uh in any way, shape or form, you got to go check it out, check out the section if you haven't checked it out before and, uh, take a look at all of the toys and other collectibles. Incidentally, if you happen to see any ducks on this website that you like, please message me directly because I have so many for sale. Wait a minute. Um, those are my ducks. Uh, moving on. Wasn't there some like Rocky Con footage dropped? Oh, this was super exciting. So Tony Pau, who I just mentioned 10 seconds ago, also posted some brand new found footage from Rocky Icon one. This is a new segment that came out of, I think it was a Canadian news station. I'm not exactly sure that was covering uh the first Rocky convention. Well, the not the first Rocky convention, the first Rocky convention that the fan club uh put on. If you want to know that whole fucking story, go look at our Con panel from the Te Staycation Con. Uh And what's actually really exciting about this as part of that panel that we put together. Uh We compiled a bunch of video from this event from Rocky Con one. There wasn't a lot of that out there and this is actually really cool because this is footage that was taken, I think by a news crew. Um and nobody had seen it. Nobody has seen it in well on, you know, 35 40 years. So this was really cool that this dropped. Uh Tony posted the video up on youtube. He dropped it on all the socials. We're going to have the youtube link leaked for you in the show notes. It's actually a fairly long bit host. So. Oh, really? I admittedly I have not seen this yet. I'm very excited to watch it because I fucking love rocky horror community footage. I think con footage is so fun because I love seeing how nothing is different. How long is it? How long? It's over 10 minutes long. Wow. Really? Yeah. Absolutely. And why don't actually, why, why don't you pull it up real quick and jump to about uh 2 30 in and take a look at what you got there. Oh No, let's see. What have we got here? Oh my God. I know this man. That's Sapiro. He was, he was just talking about this the other day. This is what he was talking about when we were together, right? This video he's taking his clothes off. Oh my God. He's in a Janet bra and slip and he just put what appears to be a mop on his head. But I bet it's a Janet wig and he's a, he was telling us about this. This is so cute. He looks so good in this Janet outfit. Holy shit. I think he had just watched this when we saw him the other day. Yeah, this was really cool. He he mentioned finally that he'd never seen this before and that like it finally had resurfaced. So yeah, I mean huge props to Tony for just finding all of this random random content that's been floating out there for years and not just finding it but making it available to the community. So if you want to go watch, sell, take his clothes off, check out the show notes, the link is gonna be in there. Oh my gosh. Yes, please do. He's adorable. All of this footage is so great. Oh, man, I can't wait to sit here and watch this. Absolutely. And I think that wraps us up for some community news. So with that, I think it's time to ask a question and, oh boy, have I got a question for us this week? Oh, I don't see anything that I wrote here. So how could we have an ask a question segment? I found an article on dot kick dot Club dot IC dot Club, you say dot IC dot Club? Wow. What a respectable news source. Exactly. Right. It's probably full of all kinds of genuine information. That's true and factual and well researched. All right. So what are we, what are we asking a question about this week? Well, this article is titled Rocky Horror. Five reasons. Brad and Janet are the perfect couple and five reasons they should break up. Oh God, where do I even start? So I thought it would be fun to run down this list. And honestly, a lot of these things are pretty valid and maybe at the end of the article, the question is, are Brad and Janet the perfect couple or should they break up? Let's say we all right, let's see what's number 10 on this list. So, all right, the way this list goes and we're gonna post this in the show notes if you guys want to follow along and like take this cosmo quiz with us. So they do one and one. Are they perfect or do they need to break up and they run down a list of five each kind of alternating. This sounds terrible. Let's do it. All right. So number 10, they are perfect together because he did worry about her dot dot dot Some of the time for at least the first half hour of the movie. If that Brad seems genuinely concerned about Janet's safety when they break down in the car. He seems worried when they run into some strange weirdos in this house, but it doesn't last very long as he begins to realize that it's a big ocean out there and there's plenty of fish swimming around in it and he kind of forgets about his fiance, but they're perfect together because he worries about her in the beginning. Ok. Hold on. I take issue with this immediately. They are saying that Brad and Janet are good together because he cares about her at the beginning. Hold on. Let's run down the facts of what happens at the beginning of this movie. First, he proposes to her at his friend's wedding. That's a big fucking, no, no. Second. His first decision after he proposes to her is to go see some random guy that he's friends with, not a mutual friend that they would enjoy seeing together. This guy that's a mentor to him. That's some bullshit. Third, when the car breaks down, he just wants to leave her there. He's like, no, you stay here. It's fine. I'll go figure this shit out. That's not even starting to mention what happens once they're near the castle, once they start getting to the castle as soon as anything starts to happen, you all know Brad's blocking, he's putting Janet right in fucking front of him, shoving her towards all these scary monsters like a human fucking shield. I, I don't know what nonsense this is. Brad didn't give a shit. The only segment that get tells you that Brad ever gave a shit in this entire movie is once in a while and that's not even in the damn movie. I, I, I, no, I, I take issue with this whole point so we don't think Brad cared about Janet at all. It is pretty tacky that he proposed at the wedding and then went to Doctor Scotch. Did she even know Doctor Scott? I mean, it was his refresher course that they were both were in. But let me remind you, the only reason Brad was there in the first place was to pick up chicks because this guy is way too old for Janet. You. Right. She is a good human shield though. That's probably why he's marrying her. All right. Well, I think I refuted that one. Let's see if I can refute the next one. Let's see if you can refute the next one because the next one is in favor of them breaking up. So number nine is Dr Franken Fter climbed in bed with him, Brad way too easily. We're thinking that Brad could have done a bit more soul searching before committing to his one and only true love. Love is love. Gender fluid. Therefore, Brad was free to be with whoever he wanted or whatever he wanted considering we're talking about fucking aliens. But we're thinking that maybe you should have like sowed his wild oats and gotten his alien kinks out of his system before proposing to his wife. Ok? I see what you're talking about there. But I will have, you know that Brad majors took at least several lines of dialogue before he was convinced to let Frank suck his cocky. I got nothing on this one. This one. No, that's real fair. Like this is a very valid point. He did not put up any kind of fight. He was like, oh no, what about Janet? Oh I mean, I guess if you're down there already, I mean, he did think about her at least. So he screamed her name while some guy was sucking his dick. That's almost worse because he made a conscious choice if he had just totally forgotten. And he could have been like, I don't know, I was asleep. I thought it was you, your hair was the same, whatever that would have been, I think less bad than being like, oh right, I'm engaged. Ah Fuck it to be fair. And I will point this out. She did cheat on him first. He didn't know. How do you know? Maybe he knew, maybe he totally knew. No, he didn't totally knew because he found out during once in a while which happens after his own bedroom scene. Yeah, once in a while it's not in the movie. You can't use that as a citation, you just use it as a citation irregardless. Moving on to number eight, number eight. Perfect together. Uh Brad's fiance's safety was his first thought we're going really hard on this. Brad did consider Janet when he knocked on the door that would change his life forever getting Janet to a safe place. A K A the castle was his first priority. Um And back then knocking on a stranger's door wasn't nearly as taboo, especially in a world devoid of iphones. Um but also it was more dangerous, I guess because we didn't have iphones was this article written by a 10 year old. Like did you watch the movie? I mean, I'll, I'll give it to you that Brad said a good game about wanting to protect Janet. But let me remind you, she had to scream at him that she was cold and she was wet and she was just plain scared and his response was is cool. Janet. Let's just chill at this party for a while. Yo, why you got to be such a bitch? He did bring her to literally the sketchiest house probably in all of New Jersey, which is saying a lot. There was a sign, there was a sign that said enter at your own risk. Oh yeah, her safety was his first thought. It told you you opened the package knowing what was inside. They weren't unsafe in the car. They were just on a road with a flat tire. It was a dead end. So like no one was coming. They could have just waited for it to be morning, they could have slept in the car and they would have been perfectly safe. I mean, if you want to see how that ended up, go watch uh F N S S, what if Janet stay in the car? That's a all right. Number seven. Uh I think I may be on the breakup side. Let's see if they play this point a little better. All right. Number seven. Uh this is in favor of breaking up Janet went in search of Brad. Not the other way around. Surprisingly, it was Janet who went in search of her significant other post Frank Boning when she realizes that it's not her dear old Brad in bed with her. Her search leads her elsewhere onto Rocky's dick. Despite the fact that she ran and fell onto Rocky's dick. She did take the first steps to find Brad who she was separated from. Uh and where was Brad? Getting his dick sucked. Ok. In fairness, she finished first and Brad was still busy. So it does make sense that she went to look for him, right? I mean, she had a full like what, 30 minutes to get up, take a shower, you know, clean herself up, redo her makeup put on her fucking panty hose. Where did this timeline come from? Why is she taking a shower? I mean, she had quite a lot of time. You think that Frank rolled off her, walked out the door and she just, what laid there for a while? No, I think Frank rolled off her and she was immediately like, oh no, I fucked an alien. Where's Brad? No, no, no, I'm looking for him. We know we know according to once in a while right there is footage in once in a while of Janet just sitting in the bed, sitting there crying. Uh Well, kind of crying because Susan Sarandon can't actually cry. So it just looks like there's come on her face but like she's just sitting there in bed with a cumshot splattered all over her. Like, um, I don't know, you want to bask in a bunch of alien come for a while. Sure. But like, I don't know if that's immediately getting up and running for her fiance. Uh, it could have been five minutes. Semantics. I, I think that the only reason she went looking was because she wrapped up first. All right. All right. So, uh break up. Yeah, I think this is in favor of breakup. Uh OK. Number six, this is in favor of staying together. All of these reasons are the same reason Brad did enter the mansion in search of help. Comma a bold move, a bold move even though asking a danger to use their phone wasn't unusual at the time. It was a bold move nonetheless. If you couldn't tell already, we're running out of ways to justify Brad and Janet's behavior. The article, it's quite obvious we're relying on things like old school chivalry to defend them. Both of them should, should have emerged single, but it was Brad's confidence and determination to problem solve that earns him half a point here. At least it's an honest article, right? They seem a little self-aware here. So he, all of these reasons so far are, um, he went to the castle to protect her question mark. Well, you know, his, uh his bootleg recording of Nixon's speech had already wrapped up and like, what's he gonna do? Listen to it for the 12th time? Like Janet's a little sick of reading the same fucking plane stealer article and she was probably out of chocolate. Yeah, she put that gum under the sea. It's not like there's more gum. So it's going to be a long night. She's got to get something else in her mouth. Yeah, that's true. All right. Number five break up, Janet ran into Rocky's arms and Brad did nothing. Um OK, after the encounter with Frank who could possibly think of anyone else, no one could be as dramatic or walk as well as in fishnets and heels as the doctor could. Therefore, it's impossible to judge Brad, but that doesn't mean he's not a poor fiance ultimately, who the heck runs into the arms of a laboratory made human being. Janet. Of course, she's on Santa's naughty list for life and not only because she had heart eyes in awe of his eight pack. Wait, so this article is judging her because not because she was a bad fiance to Brad, but because after fucking Frank who could look at anyone else, I, I feel, I feel the writers uh predilections are showing through here a little bit because um if you put Tim curry and well, I'm still gonna fuck Tim Curry. But um listen, Rocky, Rocky is a sexy man like Peter Henwood is cut and I mean, there's pictures of his dick online like he's hung like a horse. So, absolutely not. You can do that Google Search on your own. Uh But I don't, I don't know if this is a rather convincing argument. Like, I mean, should they break up? Well, probably, but not because she ran to Rocky's arms and Brad did nothing like Brad did plenty when he found out he screamed at her. Yeah, I feel like what is he supposed to do in this situation? They're fucking aliens, they're eating people. A guy just got made another guy just got murdered. I, I feel like at some point during the evening you're kind of just gonna throw your arms up and be like, we're gonna write this off. Like whatever happens here happens if we're just gonna move on afterwards, you know, like there's not really anything to do at this point. It, it's that weekend in Cancun we don't talk about, right? Like kind of thing, right? Like what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas? Like kind of, I don't know. All right. Number four, they are perfect together. They got engaged. So that's a start. Ah, if one thing says healthy relationship, it's a grand gesture that the other party knew nothing about. It's really a stretch at this point. The more this movie is watched, the easier it gets to decide that perhaps Bratt and Janet are not quite the two for each other. If all it takes is a few other worldly beings and lab experiments along with a touch of cannibalism, they definitely shouldn't have been together by the time they walked out of that house. However, Brad did pop the question and Janet did say yes. So obviously they love each other maybe. And then Janet was like, oh my God, let's have a baby. Wow. This was written by a high school student, Jesus. So like, I don't know, they got engaged. Therefore they should be together. What a, what a wonderful point. I mean, the, the article is self aware, it knows that this isn't a very good point, but I mean, come on, let's just throw this one out here for any of you out there in the Rocky community that may be considering proposing to your significant other. If you haven't talked about getting married before bring that shit up before you propose. A proposal should be a surprise, getting married, should be a conversation, life advice brought to you by Rocky Talkie. I mean, right. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Right. I mean, we we, we talked about getting married before I proposed like it was a known fact that was going to happen. It was just, when's it gonna happen? You can still have a surprise without having that awkward moment of oh God. Are they gonna say no? Yeah. I probably asked you once a month for like every month that we were together starting from probably the day I moved in with you and even then it was still a surprise. Honestly, just sit and look at rings together. If you're not sitting in, it's fun. It's fun. And if you're not into rings, great, sit and look at whatever you want to celebrate. Couple tattoos, those are hot now, right? Like the, the ring tattoos or just whatever, those are always hot. I know people think they're cursed but I think they're fun. All right. Number three on the list. This is a reason to break up. Janet totally had the hots for Rocky. Well, sweetie, I've got some bad news. We have to break up because I totally have the hots for Rocky. Janet's indiscretion is exactly what prompts her entire theater to shout. Expletives at the screen is slut and expletive. I mean, apparently to this 12 year old that wrote the article, it is uh as if it couldn't get any worse. She does so in front of Brad. But then again, there are no secrets in the home of Frank and Furter. Like I should hope not. If you're gonna step out on your partner, don't keep it a secret. Be an ethical slut. Consent is sexy. More life advice from Rocky Horr. Rocky Frank's perfect little baby also makes the mistake of sharing intimacies with Janet, but at least he has an excuse because he has the brain of a newborn and it's Janet who makes him a man, which I don't think it is true. I think a Frank plowed him earlier in the evening. And also that's a terrible sentence. Right. Like, first of all, yes, Frank plowed him earlier. Second of all, he has half of Eddie's brain. Right? So, if Meatloaf's 30 he's got a 15 year old's brain. Still, not great. Still, still not OK. But if the argument here is like she fucked an infant, um, that's not just a red flag for the breakup. That's a red flag for the police. I don't think it has anything to do with Brad and Janet's relationship. I think we're going off the fucking rails here. But all right. Well, one last argument in favor of them being perfect together, arguably the worst one. They're the hero and the heroine. It's getting a bit dicey. Now says this article traditionally, as most stories go, there is either a hero or a heroine, but for all intents and purposes of Rocky horror, Brad and Janet, each take on the role of hero slash heroin. Uh While we could argue who the true hero and heroin are because we all know it's Magenta and riffraff legit. They do win the movie. Uh The credit stand declaring these two as the protagonist of the story and that alone implies destiny has a hand in their fate, thus making them true lovebirds, right? Because we know every story where there's a hero and a heroine, they should always end up to Romeo and Juliet, they were definitely destined to be together. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Couldn't have gone better for them. They really staying together was good on their part as it was for Brad and Jenna also, can we, can we talk about this real quick, Brad while labeled the hero of this film is not the hero of this film. It's Janet's story. We all know that this is Janet's story. You make this argument all the time. Yeah, I do think it's Jen. She is the only one with a story arc. In the movie. The stage show is different and I have feelings about that. But in the movie, she's the only one who develops as a character in any way. And what about the stage show? What, what makes it different for you on the stage show? I mean, I've only seen the stage show once. This was Justin's production. BT dubs. It was fantastic. It felt a lot more like the story of Frank and Furter birthing his creation, Rocky. And you like taking that journey with him and Brad and Janet just kind of felt like Spectators and like, ok, they were along for the ride, but it wasn't their story. It was Frank's. Frank was the main character. The story arc was very much like the birth and death of his creation. Whereas I think in the movie here, the story arc is Janet going from, from a, like a goody two shoes to a sexually empowered woman, a virgin to a slut. The thing, the party line, right? Like we all come in as virgins, we all come out of slots. Like that's the story. I agree with you on that one. I think that the uh the stage show really hammers home the intent, which is, you know, it's a a Frankenstein story, right? It's a story about the mad doctor and all of the other bit players are just kind of telling his story. But OK, that is uh the last reason that they should supposedly be perfect together. What's the last reason that they should break up? Um The last reason they should break up and I think this reason itself turns the article around and makes it a little poignant. Uh We're pretty sure Janet would have stayed if she could. Interesting. OK, you got me on that one. I'm, I'm paying attention. All right. Uh So given the option, who knows, maybe Brad would have remained put as well, perhaps they would have stayed together and continued sharing separate bedrooms. All we know is that Janet was seriously hooked on Rocky and Brad was seriously hooked on something. They say what's forbidden is the most appealing to us and nothing demonstrates this more than attractive alien life. And yes, this was very uncomfortable to write. That's a stupid last sentence article. You're stupid. But I think going back to that same thought of when we come into Rocky Horror, we come in as virgins, we leave as sluts. A lot of us would stay if we could and we do and continue being sluts. And I think that that's, I, I don't think it's anything to be said in favor of Brad and Janet staying together or breaking up. But I've certainly seen a lot of couples, I guess where one partner has come into a rocky cast and it's really, really hit with them and it's really resonated and they have gone on that journey by themselves and it hasn't hit so hard with the other partner and they fizzle out after a couple of years and they do often end up breaking up because they don't take that journey together, which I think is very interesting. And this one, you can actually point to some material that backs it up. Although the article doesn't, you know, bother, right? Like take a look at their floor show verses. Right? Brad is saying I am so torn up. I don't know what to do. Help me mommy, like I am so confused. I don't understand who I am anymore or what my role in this world is. That's literally what Richard o'brien is doing with this, right? He's flipping the idea of the fifties, stereotypical like manly man and the subservient woman and allowing Brad to not be the manly man and be the one that is in control of all the situations. And Janet has her sexual awakening her awakening as a person. That's her verse, right? Like she's been released, her confidence has increased. Like all of these things are really pointing to the fact that Janet did take this journey and Brad did not. Um I think you're right. If there is one point, this article makes that is actually valid. It's this one. Yeah. And I would say this is of all of the reasons in this article, this is the number one reason to break up because by the time the movie ends, they're not in the same place in their life anymore and all of the other stuff, regardless of like who was into who and who sucked, who's dick and were they engaged and did Brad try to protect Janet. It doesn't matter if you're in two such different places in your life. By the end of the movie, you, you don't need to be together, you need to figure your shit out and then maybe revisit in a couple of years and see where you are. Well, if only we had a piece of media that told us, I don't know the Brad and Janet show afterwards, right? The like what happened after Rocky. If only there was a resolution to this that we could point to and you know, break out of this mold, fake, it would be shocking if that existed. I'm sorry guys, I'm really sorry. We're going to talk about shock treatment for two seconds, right? Like this is what this is. Right. Shock treatment is the should Brad and Janet have broken up and I'm, I'm not even sure if I agree with the way that that ends. I mean, I guess they do kind of take a journey but it's less poignant. They do start in the same place of Janet being like, oh my God, get your shit together, Brad. You're fucking embarrassing and him being like, I just, I just want to stay boring. So at least it starts off in kind of a realistic place from where they would have left it. No. Exactly. Like I, I think that's what's interesting and it's why you see this continuation through where the original version of shock treatment did not have Janet as the primary character, but as shock treatment was revised, Janet became the central character, Richard realized that it was Janet's story and there is one conversation that he published where he talked about. I don't know, this is Janet's story. What do I do? Do? I just like change the names on the script. So that Janet is saying a bunch of this stuff like literally, it was realized that shock treatment needed to be Janet's story continuing her. I have found myself and like, where does that naturally go? Right. Brad's story is pretty obvious he's a broken shell. He he, he says it in superheroes, right? Like he has no idea where to go from there. Janet clearly has some idea where she wants to go or at least what kinds of things she wants to explore after Rocky. But you never see that in the original film and that's what they tried to do with shock treatment. This was a terrible article but it left you with some interesting shit to think about. I think, I think so. So. All right, I'm going to pose the question to you should Brad and Janet break up, let's say, let's say at the end of Rocky, at the end of Rocky, disregarding shock treatment should Brad and Janet break up. Uh Yes, I say yes for the same reason that I said earlier because even if they started their adventure in similar places in their life, the way that they left the end of Rocky and the way that they left the castle Janet was an extremely different person and Brad was the same person with a, a crazy weekend in Cabo that he wanted to forget about. Right. Yeah, I don't think you should get married in that situation because they don't, they, they need to reacquaint themselves with each other. Janet has a bunch of fucking soul searching to do and I don't think she's in a place in her life to get married at this point. So I'm gonna go off the beaten path here a little bit. I do agree with you about all of that. I do agree that they're in very different places at the end of Rocky. And I do agree that Janet has a lot of things, she needs to kind of work out and that Brad needs some serious therapy. But I don't necessarily think that means that they needed to break up because they have this shared experience that literally nobody else will ever believe them about. Sure. That's true. They have this kind of experience that only they are privy to. I feel that that binds them together into like, not necessarily let's go get married next week, but like at some point we got to talk about this shit, right? You know, kind of thing. OK? That's fair. So maybe not break up. But I, I think she should give the ring back. All right, there you go. I think that wraps us up. Janet should give the ring back, that dirty whore. I think that's our show. I think so guys, we want to thank you for joining us on this adventure today. Uh It's been a little bit different. We hope you got a kick out of it. And as always, we want to thank Aaron from Tennessee for all of your hard work, dude. You're incredible. We're going to meet Aaron soon next month. 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