Hello to all of you, unconventional conventions. Welcome back to Rocky Talk. It's a Rocky horror podcast where we talk about anything and everything Rocky Horror related. My name is John and I'm Aaron and joining us on air this week, we've got Arthur Laurie from the R K O Army, the test rack, players of Boston and the full body cast. Hi, Arthur. Hello, Arthur. You have been in this community forever and you have done so much. I'm sure we could spend literal hours discussing all of your accomplishments, but for our listeners who may not be in the know, could you tell us a really brief little overview about yourself and your time doing Rocky? All right. Well, I started uh shadow casting in 1979. Uh back back then they called it blocking the screen. Uh and, and since then, you know, I've just been bouncing up and down, you know, the east coast, mostly in New England. It's a short story, but you know, a lot of layers. Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so excited to have you here on air with us. Oh, thank you. And now before we get started with the show, we'd like to take a moment and ask each other, how was your week? Did you get up to anything fun? Hell, yeah. Uh, so, Meg and I actually went and saw this real, a weird show the other night we went out to Brooklyn and at this club we saw Ketamine the musical. Now this sounds extremely up your alley. It, it was very weird. It was at house of out in Brooklyn. And if anybody knows this venue, like they have a ton of like acrobatic stuff going on, they had like, you know, silk uh uh aerial artists and like all sorts of crazy shit that they put into this. There was a bathtub in the middle of the uh in the middle of the venue that um a lucky raffle winner uh and her partner got to uh sit in for the entire second half of the show and take a bubble bath. It was really weird. There was a number where a bunch of people did cupcakes, uh like dancing cupcakes on stage. It was very brownie reminiscent from Reefer Madness. Um There was, this was just a really fucking weird show. Um There was like a whole social media segment where you were like checking your Instagram and sending messages. It was really fucking weird, but it was also really, really good meg and I came back and like, we literally sat up for hours talking about this stupid show. Um, so, yeah, if you're in New York, definitely go check out that show. It's fucking weird as shit. Yeah. I don't think I will. Arthur, what did you get up to this week? How am I supposed to top that? My God, my, my dog. Well, well, my dog took a dump on another dog's head. Amazing. Yeah, you topped it easily. Yeah, that was, that was about it. I went to work, went home, ate dinner. You know, we're supposed to be closing on a house by the end of the month. So I'm working on, you know, the ulcer to end all ulcers. Uh, but that's about it. I think the dog pretty much tops, you know, everything else I would have could have done this week. What about you, John? Uh, so to not today, uh, this past week I recently closed in on four different shows that I'm gonna be seeing within the next month. I'm seeing Haiti's town on the 20th of April. I'm seeing Moulin Rouge on the fourth of May. I'm seeing beetle juice on the 11th of May and then I'm seeing Haiti town again on the 12th of May. Somebody stop me. I have a problem. This is a call for help burning through that tax refund day. What tax refund I owe 200 bucks. Sounds about right. That's me. All right y'all. Uh, now that, that's out of the way. Let's dive into our first segment, the Fight and Die. This is global news. All right, guys bear with me. Usually we wouldn't do a segment on professional wrestling. Usually the world of the Undertaker and Hulk Hogan has little overlap with the world of Richard o'brien and Tim Curry. Unless you're in a conversation with Eric Garnett or, or to shout out to the resident Rocky wrestlers. We, we love you guys. Usually our two worlds don't collide but when the glitz and glam of the A E W, all elite wrestling comes knocking and throws down the gauntlet, we are left with little choice but to take up the mantle and return fire last week, April 13th which was A E W S Wednesday night A E W Dynamite featured a painted in makeup cursing Irish Gremlin. I think no joke. His name is Don Hausen and he's some sort of Irish Warlock. We wanna say he's painted in with white face makeup with black circles around his eyes and mouth and at a W dynamite, he gets called out. Well, someone gets called out. I I I don't follow wrestling. The hometown hero is called up to the ring and Don housing comes up, he steps into the ring. Well, this guy Don housing possibly due to the face makeup and possibly because of the large black cloth one ft short of kimono he's wearing, he gets called out by the announcer and told, hey, this ain't the Rocky horror picture show convention, dude. Now we could take this moment to slander the good people of a w and tell you. Yeah, that isn't the Rocky Horror Picture Show Convention. Our conventions tend to be a lot more fun and involve a lot less clothing and grandstanding and a lot more boobies. But that's not what we're gonna do here. You see watching this video, the whole video up to Don Housen coming into the ring and afterwards we kind of realize something, the worlds of professional wrestling and Rocky horror are not so different. I mean, right off the bat, the amount of spandex and makeup across both fields is alarmingly similar. They might not be jumping around in corsets, but we're all walking around in sparkly booty shorts that I know we all bought from the same four Amazon storefronts. And that's not all if you thought Rocky Horror was dramatic with overacting at backstage divas, holy shit, you would not believe the similarities between Rocky and professional wrestling. So Don Haen comes out immediately, one of the wrestlers tells Don Housen he's weird and isn't welcome. And then out of nowhere, he makes one of his fellow wrestlers drop and give him 10 push-ups just on the suspicion that this wrestler had been talking to Dan Allen. I don't know why that would happen, but you gotta understand shows of physical force and awkward public domination. Absolutely screams Rocky Horror, but that's not it. Not by a long shot. Now you might be asking yourself, where's the showmanship? The lights and the sparkle. It's right here. So apparently our godly dressed Irish curse casting warlock doesn't like being slighted as he just was. So he then begins to threaten this businessman who happens to be in the ring. He tells the businessman he needs to hand over his suit and shoes or else he'll cast a curse on him. He wants his costume. Maybe it's more screen accurate. Who knows? Obviously. Now you can imagine what happens next. Don Hausen wordlessly curses the man noiselessly pointing his fingers a variety of lengths away from the businessman until eventually the businessman grabs his heart and sort of runs around the ring into one of the other wrestlers begs Don Hausen to break the curse. Don Hausen after almost no prodding gives in and in an annoyed fashion flicks his wrist at the businessman and says, all right, he's unc cursed, oh my God. With such a sense of disdain. He seems better suited to being a perturbed director yelling at his cast. Yet again about how you need to put your props away after each show. More so than being an Irish warlock casting some wordless curses on a wrestling businessman. Oh, oh, oh. But, but that's not all because after it becomes obvious that Don Hausen is not, in fact the wrestler that he was meant to be called into the ring, the announcer gets his act together and Riles the crowd up to call the right wrestler on stage, Ricky Starks. And this really is the climax of the Rocky activity for the night because first Starks gets called into the ring and he comes out to little fanfare. He's like, dressed in a hoodie. The music is low and he comes out, looks at the audience and waves his hand in a little, this ain't it sort of gesture. And just as quickly as he came in, he turns around and leaves. Crowd is upset and the announcer riles them up again. And finally, he calls the New Orleans hometown guy back out. But this time, Ricky Starks comes back out to much more fanfare in a complete costume change. Gone is the hoodie and the mesh white outfit. Now he's in clean white booty shorts, lace up boots and nothing else sound familiar. He may as well have been in a Labor Day Rocky horror costume or what could be more Rocky Horror than a quick change followed by roaring applause where you come back out in a much skimpier outfit and they think we're fringe. But guess what? That's just the fucking introduction for Ricky Starks. Starks has about 10 more minutes of action where one of his nemesis comes out, they trade insults for a few minutes and he, a wrestler named Platinum Max gets into the ring to challenge Starks and everyone from Don Hausen to the businessman and he even challenges the announcers everyone. Absolutely. Gang fucks this dude. There is no attempt to make it a fair fight. Max gets in the ring, stares down the businessman and gets sucker punched by some dude he wasn't watching. Then everybody basically just kind of takes turns tackling him. Not only did I get totally sucked in watching the backstabber glitz and glamour of it all my no, no bits even got a little tingly at times. That is the most Jacob thing I've ever fucking read. Right. Oh, I could see a kind of group of Rocky people accidentally stumbling into an event like this and not even realizing that they had gotten lost and wandered into the wrong room. I think we would just go with this new Danny cast of Rocky characters we had never heard about. Oh shit, Maximus fucked your girl and now the crushing is gonna bring him to pain town. Fuck. So that's that next time Sunday night raw passes by your TV. Maybe don't change the channel, maybe see what they have to offer. Watch the next John Cena movie. Tackle someone for bedroom scene, you know, live a little and speaking of tackling each other in the bedroom. It's time for some community news. I don't know if you heard that but I farted. Yes. Yes, we did. Yeah. Excellent work. Yeah. And first up in community news, the Con Gods A K A Fred Morro probably graced us this week with even more Khan submission announcements. Participants are now able to start putting in applications for Rocky got talent and drag race as well as all those super sweet cast pre shows. Those of you who have attended cons know that the talent show is one of the main entertainment staples. This is where all the singers, burlesque dancers, sideshow artists, drag performers and the like come together to entertain us with their mad skills. This year is going to be a little different. All those acts and more are invited to submit acts for the Khans variety show featuring basically everything but drag. It sounds like the reason being is that we've got so many wonderfully talented drag performers in our community. It probably just made sense to give them all their own space with their first ever A K O drag race. I'm here for this submission requirements for both are pretty straightforward and essentially the same audition videos for both shows need to be turned in by June 15th 2022 yes, videos are strongly encouraged as part of these submissions. AC O makes it clear that priority billing will be given to those with video auditions. Our convention masters realize that not everyone will have a perfectly polished video of their act, but everyone should be turning in something that's fairly demonstrative of their routine. If this isn't possible for you, you should still feel free to turn in an audio file, especially if you're a singer or musician, stand up comic, you know, something like that. But again, they're preferring videos for these auditions. Please make sure your talent show acts are toy like a toy guy. Yes, you look like a macho man village people. OK. That's fine. Don't play the laughing man. There's only two things in this world that I can't stand people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch take the away her five minutes or less. So that R K O can include as many people as possible. Goddamn it, John, the submission form, the submission forms also include a bunch of logistical information like what name you'll want to use for billing, what sorts of tech accommodations that you'll be needing for your act. So make sure to have all of that info ready to go to. Oh boy, are we all back now? Are we with us now? Ok. As far as the preshow go, each cast is allowed to submit up to one video preshow and one live preshow application submission deadline for all these events is June 15th and although your cast's live performance does not need to be completely finalized and ready to go by then that's the cut-off date for turning in all the materials you'll be using guys. Keep in mind that while this all seems like forever away, it's gonna be May we've got about seven weeks before all of this needs to be turned in. So if you want to get audition materials submitted. It's time to start working on them. Now, all that I do is not enough for you don't want to lose it, but I'm not like that. And finally, yeah, we've seen all your acts just like the wrestling community. Our people are extra. All our shit is high concept, ultra choreographed, highly edited and tailored specifically for flopping our dicks on the table. That kind of entertainment takes time. So get that ball rolling soon. People just like your mom. We nag you because we love you and we want your shit to do well, speak for yourself. I want them to crash and burn. It's funnier if they do. Yeah, we can't wait to watch all of your shenanigans on stage and offstage and get to cheer your talented asses on. We really just want to see as much of it as possible. Your ass Arthur is talking about, we want to see as much of your ass as possible. Uh Hopefully that was clear. Well, Arthur John and I talked about this with uh Phil DeJean last week when the casting call went up for Rocky Shocky Doctor Horrible Rio and Hedwig. But we'd love to ask you too. Are you going to be submitting any auditions for con events? Oh, unfortunately not. And the basic reason for that is it's the con is local to me. So I'd rather see other people take the slots and um and you know, because they're traveling far and maybe they didn't get a chance to uh perform at a convention. It just opens things up, you know, ever so slightly. And of course, all this info plus everything else about the con buying the tickets, the hotel deeds show, audition information and lots more can be found on the convention website R K O con dot com, which we will have linked for you in our show notes if for some reason you don't know it. And if you're looking to go hands free at K or anywhere, really club nights, any sort of parades that might be coming up in the next few months. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but some of you might, it's very straight of you. Well, straight to the point vampire Freaks dot com has just released a brand new Rocky horror themed backpack so that all our little sweet transvestites out there can rep our favorite movie while keeping their hands free to time. Warp. Vampire Freaks sells Goth Merch for the spookily inclined. They started off as a clothing brand but have since branched out and now carry a really wide array of clothing, shoes, accessories, makeups, and housewares. They're kind of like a TJ Maxx for goth millennials. You can get your spooky clothes and furnish your spooky home in a tasteful yet budget friendly way. And one of the great items that the site recently dropped is this adorable and officially licensed heart shaped rocky backpack. The bag is made of black vegan vinyl with a blood red trim and a spy spider web pattern lining. It's got a few interior pouches much like me in addition to the main compartment. So you'll have separate pockets to keep your keys, water bottle, emergency showing kit, emergency changes of underwear, pound and a half of emergency glitter, emergency roll of condoms for emergency fish nets and emergency malo minis in case you happen to come across anyone you hate but also want to do shots with. That's some very specific emergency equipment. John, you find me a rocky person who hasn't packed that exact list of shit at some time and I'll show you a liar. Uh This backpack is really cute and retails on vampire freaks for the low low price of 61 99 plus shipping only one 48th of a frank jacket and infinitely more useful. I'm not sure about that, but if you're interested in checking it out, we've got it linked for you. You know, in our show notes last up on community news or should I say community news early Sunday morning just a few hours before we started our recording, Jim Cosmo Hetzer got all literary with us with this announcement he posted on Facebook. So the announcement reads. So I guess it is time for the official announcement. There's a new Rocky horror book coming out in time for the 50th anniversary of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. The new book will focus primarily on the casts and fans. It will contain pictures and stories from casts around the world. The new book has the tentative name of 50 Years of Rocky Horror by Jim Hetzer. It will be published by Asylum publishing the same people who put out the audience participation guide and creatures of the Night one and two. I'm very proud to be working with such a great company. Again. I will be reaching out to the people for ideas and content very soon. I'm hoping to get articles from people telling stories about things that happened at their shows or conventions, that type of thing. This will be fun. Hell, yeah. Well, Jim, this new book sounds amazing. We've got so many great books lined up to be published in anticipation of the 50th anniversary. But I'm especially excited about this one particularly because it's taking a look at the community in specific, right? We've all got bookshelves lined with, well, ok, I have a bookshelf lined with stuff, you know, that is about the history of the show and just the celebrities and all that. There's only a few books that take a really deep dive into the community and I'm here for another one. Like this sounds fantastic. And exactly up my alley, Arthur. How about you? Like, are you a rocky book guy? Do you have any thoughts on this one? Any favorite Rocky books. Oh, I only own two. I only the first picture book because that's the only way we found out really anything about the movie because, you know, pre internet and, um, Creatures of the Night too because I got a photo in it. I do. Yeah, I do. Uh, but I, I was really excited when I saw this about the same time and I, uh, there really needs to be, uh, an update on things that have happened since these books are kind of dated. I mean, they're good. I mean, they've got some good information and got some good stories, but uh we really need to update uh because a lot's gone on since these books came out. Oh Yeah, Creature and Creatures Two wraps up in like 1995 96 somewhere in there. So there's a good three decades that hasn't really been covered yet. Hey, Aaron buddy. Um I can't read, but even I'm pretty pumped to be able to hear some of the cool stories that are sure to be included in this book. You're gonna read it to me if I come over to your house, right? Oh, of course, I will, dude. Thanks homie. Oh, I'm loving this all nontoxic masculinity here guys. Let's bring all this positive vib into our next segment. I've been waiting guys. It's AAA cute time. That's AAA Superior Automotive Service with a quack for fuck's sake. AAA Q can we just get over the goddamn acronym. It's just a historical segment. It's Ken Burns man, but it's the stick. Everyone needs a stick. Yeah, I love my stick too, buddy. But come on, man. Call a spade. A spade. Who, who, who not cool, man. Come on. You really need to be careful about saying things like that John. Remember nothing ever goes away on the internet. What I'm saying? You don't want to get canceled, John? All right, that's not even remotely. Oh. Oh, is that so Mr Arthur Laurie John is obviously safe from getting canceled after all. He is a twitch streamer. But I don't know if you are aware of the door that you just opened, you unlock this door with the key of imagination beyond it is another dimension, a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Rocky Cancellation zone. I thought you guys might like to know about Rocky, you know, back in the day, you know, like before everybody kind of what this is what you thought, Mr Arthur Laurie. But you have been around this shindig long enough to know there is no forgetting and the internet never forgets. Is it not true that on the night of March 16th in 1994 at approximately 10 48 PM in 32 seconds, you posted to the alt dot cult dash movies dot Rocky horror news group that quote Boston is checking in, took a while to figure out how this internet stuff works. And maybe uh 30 years ago, man. See, this is it your nightmare, Mr Arthur Laurie, longest running shadow caster in all of Rocky horror. That one day it would be discovered that you didn't know how the internet works. It was 1994. Were you even born in 1990 four? I'm so sorry, Arthur. What John means to say is I say ah and yes, I was two. What, what John means to say? Uh So you originally started going to Rocky in 1979. You have literally seen the entire evolution of the community. I have one question that I've been trying to get an answer for at this point like years now and I'm hoping that maybe you can shed some light on it so long before the internet, long before 1994. Way back when it all began, Rocky was just a collection of people going to a movie and having a good time. We know vaguely how that transformed in New York to become the shadow casting phenomenon. But like what was it really like you saw it all over the country? How did Rocky become what it is today when you first went to see Rocky? They were just like foreshadowing the whole shadow cast thing, right? Yeah, pretty much. It was just a bunch of kids. I was a kid back in 79 we were going to this movie, we were dressing up just because you saw somebody else dress up and then you dressed up and then other people saw you dressed up and then you had a whole cadre of people dressing up and then they jump on stage, they do a scene, then somebody else would jump on stage and do a scene. And then week after week you'd all start doing scenes and would just stretch out and stretch out. And finally you had a cast and suddenly you were doing the whole movie. It was a little weird, but the best part about it was I was just some skinny white kid from the suburbs. I didn't know nothing from nothing. Uh but nobody cared. It was, you're part of us now you're in the collective, we're gonna hug you with this great and collective embrace and they're just really cool people that I thought would never be my friends on a normal day and it was just a cool vibe. But answer me at this, Mr Arthur Laurie keeps saying my name. Yeah, you like it, don't you bitch? When did people really start to perform? Rocky as a shadow cast? Is it not true that on January 23rd, 1997 you posted on the alt dot coat slash movies dot Rocky horror news group that quote those of us who remember still talk about the 1980 bus trip, the Exeter Street cast took New York for the day. Of course, the trouble we got into during the day collectively made see the show somewhat anti-climactic. I'm gonna leave some stuff out here because 1997 Arthur is a verbose guy. But quote, however, some did have to explain to me why some big hairy guy jumped in and started doing Janet though Winky face. How is that possible that you could not identify Mr Sapiro who wrote Creatures of the Night. Aaron's literal Holy Bible. You were there before the great prophet and you had no idea was New York. Not yet shadow casting. Then when did it start? Why did you use a wiki face? What did you see? And what by the way happened on that bus trip in 1980? I knew who Sal was. The winky face was just, hey, who's that hairy guy jumping his jet? That we know who it was? We know we know that. So that was, that was an attempt to be funny because I'm legitimately one of the funniest people, you know, um proof you see that but the bus trip was uh poorly planned. Um But we got there, the cast couldn't have been nicer to us. They kind of slid us in the side door and I wasn't much of a drug dealer, but I got introduced to the concept of nitrous oxide and not just a, a little Whippet or you know, sniff in a balloon. There was, there was a tank, it was from a dentist office on the goddamn bus. And I, so I remember most of the trip, let's just put it that way. Well, you were traveling all over the country around that time, right? You were in New York, Virginia, Florida. Like, what were some of the stuff you noticed going from place to place was the show really different. Wherever you went. It, it really wasn't like I came down when I joined the Navy, I started doing the show in Virginia. And really all people were just, they were hungry for information. Like, well, what do you guys do or what callbacks do you know? Or how do, how do you do this scene? They were just like pumping me for information and everybody just wanted to know how everybody else did things and you just sort of had to refined how you did the show and, you know, it wasn't a, in the early days people were really, you know, snippy of like, well, what, how is their costume? Is that screen accurate? But as we started getting into the eighties and whatnot, it was more of a like, well, how do you do it? How is this done? Well, how, how is that, how can we do this a little better? Uh We went away from being, you know, catty little bitches to. We all want to do a show where we're all starting to come into this community where we all, you know, we are, we belong to each other. We are all part of a collective and it, and it's the best way I can phrase it is collective. It felt nice. And if you went to another city and found somebody, you know, that did the show or was with the show, you automatically had a connection. So it was more of, you know, making connections state to state about that time. Oh, that's fantastic. I mean, that's, that's the foundations of everything that it is built towards for the last, you know, 50 years almost at this point. But were there any like, hot button issues back then? Like you saw so many things? Like what was like, craziest, most impressive thing from way back when like was there anybody out there who was just such a huge community presence? I think it was mostly sal because he ran the fan club and really the only communication we had was like the fan magazines and usually highlighted other casts or, or other performers. But um New York got a lot of, a lot of press because I mean, they were, you know, the base of the fan club, you know, a few names popped up here and there. I know, like Dori Hartley used to have um a lot of good write ups. Uh I never saw her in person. I've seen a couple of videos I've seen a couple of, um, you know, stills and she was, you know, she was amazing, uh, but never got to saw her in person. Uh, but it was really limited, like I said, because it was pre internet and we all depended on the magazines that came out and they were usually coming out of the fan club and they were a little one sided because, you know, they were writing about the home base and occasionally you'd hear about other casts, but that's, that's where we got on most of our news from. Listen, Arthur, you're not making this whole Rocky Cancellation zone thing easy. That was just a great fucking story. But I think I've got you on this one. You absolutely cannot deny that. On July 9th, 1996 you posted on the alt dot co slash movies dot Rocky horror News group that quote, I am attempting to contact a former cast member I performed with at the Exeter Street theater in Boston around 1979. The word is the first print the theater received during its initial run had the Brad Riff. But fuck scene in it. One of the Cells was a picture of Brad on all fours in his blue robe. I can have it scanned into a GIF or a JPEG and post it because I'm sure that many would be interested in this piece of Rocky history. Whereas the Gif Laurie, yeah. Where's the gift Laurie? Uh uh sorry, what we mean is we clearly proved last April 1st that the Brad Riff, but Fox scene was absolutely 100% real. Barry Boswick even sent us a very nice video. So why did it take so long for the truth to be revealed? Why were you hiding it all of those years? What was more important back then than this critical piece of cinematic history? Oh, uh hm. Well, some would say nothing but when, uh, what, what we were, especially when the, um, the va, uh, va video, I got, I, I haven't seen a video tape in how long we had heard rumors that there were parts of the movie that they filmed, that they never put, uh, on tape or they sort of, sort of dumped once in a while was the big talk and again, communication was limited. So you had to just, you know, trust what the, the magazines were, were telling you, uh, there was a copy of once in a while that was shot but just never shown and it was coming and I think it was somebody correct me the 15th or the 20th that they, they put out the, the, um, the tape of the DVD with that on that, uh, that was a big deal. And, you know, and it was one of those little tidbits of, like, there's some unedited, there's some never seen footage. Here's a little taste, here's a little taste and I'm sure there's more out there but, you know, I'm, I'm down for seeing anything like backstage photos and, and audio clips and, and especially stuff like that. That's just, it's just amazing. Yeah, it, it, it's fantastic that more of that stuff is filtered out over the years. Like we, and even just a couple of months ago we saw, you know, some of the, uh, the footage from the BBC that came out that was like the remastered behind the scenes kind of stuff that like, I, I combed through it and I was like, oh, this 20 frames has never been seen before, kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's all nice. But the real question and I've got you dead to rights on this one. Tell us all about the Brad Riff Art Lory. But fuck scene as described in your post from July 12th, 1997 which reads quote, a lesser known, but just this important scene. I hate it every minute by the way, end quote. Come on. But anyway, there, there were a lot of clips that we hadn't seen that we wanted to have included in the anniversary issues like the 15th and 20th and uh once in a while, it was great. Uh And we got, we got that and as soon as that came out, we started like, you know, started doing that, uh if we could get it, uh put on tape, get it projected. Uh So that was a lot of fun and, and added like a nice little, nice little spice to uh to our casting. Well, that's all good for the eighties and nineties. But as we moved into a new millennium, I have it on good authority. And by that, I mean, your own words, that the community was transforming into something else. Did you not write on November 19th, 1999 that you quote planned on showing my penis for a preshow. Not sure what song I'll use though. End quote. I'm so sorry, Arthur John is taking this AAA little a little too far. No, no, I'll, I'll talk about my penis, please. No, no, but John raises a good point. Yeah. Raise this dick. Yes. Oh so OK. When did you see the community start branching out? Like what was the spark that started everybody adding on to the show doing these pre shows and like starting to shadow cast other things like we all know the movies we're doing now, right? Like R K O is gonna be doing all of them, but I'm sure there was a lot of talk about what was the next big Rocky? Like what were those conversations like? Well, again, it was, it was tough when we first started doing the movie. This was a typical like say Saturday night, you know, we get in the theater and at midnight we would play Roxy soundtrack and we would perform the entire Roxy soundtrack. Take a break they would play the two Tim Curry videos. I do, uh, I do the rock in Paradise Garage and then they would dig into the movie. And so we wouldn't be out of the theater till like 33 30. And that was, you know, every Friday and Saturday for a couple of years, but I'm not sure who started the, um, let's do something different, which was, you know, forbidden for most casting directors. This is what we do. This is what everybody does and we're not gonna change it. No, go get dressed. Um, but we started doing and I'm sure a lot of the cast did, started doing sort of theme things, sort of like later in the eighties and the nineties, we did A N W O Rocky. We were all dressed up as, you know, wrestlers. I think I was Hulk Hogan and we actually pulled out a, you know, four post strings and a wrestling mat and had a, a grand challenge for the belt. So that was a lot of fun for our fourth anniversary. I think it was a third or fourth anniversary. I don't know, I guess there's a post detailing it. Let's take a look. Uh, we did the entire preshow, basically, most of the movie live and we had a live band. It was us and we had, you know, we mic everybody up and we did probably about six or seven songs live on the stage. Now, I I was bouncing up and down between the balcony because some parts I played the drums for, then I'd come down, you know, and sing. So I remember singing. I did damage Janet live myself and a young lady named Karen who's Janet. Uh, we did the floor show live which a lot of Mike handing off and took a little stage acrobatics to get that right. Uh, but that was a blast. And, um, the only unfortunate thing is from years ago that somebody took a video and that somebody, we don't know who it is, stuck it somewhere and it ended up someplace and we'll probably never see it again. But, uh, that was, that was, that was a nice night and people just got bored with the same old thing and over the years they started just sort of adding their own flavor to it and I don't know where it started, but that's, that was sort of the precipice. All old things are new again. Hm. Well, shit, I think I have to step up the game. Go on. You're not getting rocky canceled for any of those stories. Let's just wrap this up, shall we? This one is ironclad on December 30th 2000. Seriously, Arthur just six days after the day before Jesus Christ was born on that most holy of days you wrote. And this is a direct quote. What exactly are the criteria for judging a come drinking video out of a possible 100. And I think that's all the time we have today. I really wanna thank Aaron Meg. Um please someone, Maestro play me out, help me. And that's our show. We want to thank our writer Jacob and our editor Aaron from Tennessee. This show wouldn't be nearly as possible without you both. And of course, a big thank you to Arthur. Thank you so much for coming on today. Oh, thank you for having me. This was a blast. 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Like come in a vial drinking it. No, I think it's just, it's, it's from point A to point B. There's no, there's no vessel in between the title of the. The thread is a shuttle dash. Japan dash dash. Come drinking video. I can actually go back. We have something here from Steve Van Meter. Let's see what he said. Please make sure that your talent show acts are toy like a toy. Yes, you look like a macho man. Yes. Walter Ma is it, is it Walter? Hold on, hold on. I need to, I need to uh oh, it's really people guys keep in mind that while this all seems like forever away. It's almost may really meg you missed it guys. Keep in mind that while this all seems like forever away, it's gonna be May we've got about seven weeks before all of this needs to be turned in. So if you want to get audition materials submitted, it's time to start working on them. Now, all that I do is not enough for you don't want to lose it, but I'm not like that. And finally, yeah, we I don't remember the last part. You could just, you could just cut it where I said it finally. So your your signature says quality bread and associated Services since 1978 100. What are those other associated services. Is it? Come drinking one of them? Well, clearly grading. Come drinking. Yeah. Let me look at that. That's a, that's an amazing chart that's come on. Oh, I'm loving all this nontoxic masculinity here guys. Let's bring all this positive vibe age into our nest segment. Vibe. Fine. Oh, I loving this. All nontoxic masculinity here guys. Let's bring all this positive vib into our next segment. That was the worst. Yeah. I, I don't know. I thought, I thought it was French. Are, are you still available on your aim? Yahoo Live Journal. As I'm gonna, I'm gonna hop on aim right now. Sweet Jesus. It doesn't exist anymore. IC Q, holy crap. That's still in there. I like the tag. Arthur. What was your, what was your aim away message? Uh I didn't have one seriously. No, he was, he was always on folks on size. Doesn't matter what matters is how big it is. That's a, that's a tag. That is it.