Hello to all of you. Unconventional conventions. Welcome back to Rocky Talkie. We're a Rocky horror podcast that talks about anything and everything. Rocky Horror. My name is John and I'm Aaron. Nicky Aaron. It is lovely to see you all again. How are we doing? What was the past week like for both of you? Anything fun and special going on in your lives? Oh, man, I had an absolutely great week John, like I was doing a ton of work stuff for the and, and wrapping it up right before the holiday. Uh Meg and I had a wonderful Thanksgiving just kind of chilling, chilling all to our lonesome. Uh here in New York City, we uh went out for a wonderful dinner late late at night. We were able to do brunch with uh some family members and that was really cool. But uh we got to go to this super neat like live jazz club and have Thanksgiving dinner uh accompanied by live jazz. It was super awesome uh down at the flat iron room. That was a lot of fun. Uh But most exciting our friend Jesse was in town who uh many of you in the community might know Jesse. She was a long time New York City cast member. Uh one of the best Magenta that I have ever personally seen. An absolute delight. It was so wonderful to get to see her again. So she came up and we got to go out with her. Uh That was super, super cool. So uh seeing some friends, seeing some family uh enjoying the holiday, that's what I've been up to. What have you guys been doing? I forgot that Thanksgiving was this week. Honestly, that like just took me by surprise. I was like, whoa, that's a holiday that happened, right? Um It was kind of swag. I did my usual two Thanksgivings, which I haven't realized like when you're a kid having two Thanksgivings is so cool because it's like at two o'clock you have mashed potatoes and then at six o'clock you get to have them again. I'm like an adult. So I had a serving of turkey and was ready to go to sleep and then I had to like drive 40 minutes to the second Thanksgiving and do all the hellos. And I was like, this is, this is way too much for me. I was in bed by eight pm that night, but it was very swag. I like Thanksgiving. I like the food. And then yesterday F N S did our show at the House of Independence, which was fucking insane. So it was like, OK, they said that there was going to be standing room and I mean, we all do Rocky Horror. I hear standing room and I get nervous because the idea, I didn't know I've never been to the venue. So the idea of just like doing a show where there's a bunch of people standing around doesn't seem too cool. It was awesome. They had the seating in front of the stage and then the standing room in the back and there was just so many people like fucking around and dancing and vibing and like clustered and it was so cool. I love, it was awesome. And the audience was insane. Like it was so much fun and the venue was just incredible. All the staff was incredible. I had a great time. That's awesome. Yeah, I love it. But how are you done? So Thanksgiving sucks. And it's a bad holiday and I hate celebrating it. However, immediately after Thanksgiving is the best holiday of the year, which is in fact Black Friday. Oh God damn it. Hell fucking, yeah, Black Friday can kiss my cheeks in the best way. So I went out with my friend Craig, shout out to Craig. He doesn't listen to the podcast, but I went out with Craig at five AM Friday morning and we went to Old Navy, we went to Best Buy, we went to the mall, we went to Target. This is all in uh suburban Philadelphia, by the way, suburban Philadelphia. Not up here and I walked away with like $230 worth of new clothes and swag and merchandise and just Chef's Kiss. So, Black Friday is one of my favorite days of the year. So, uh, the savings are just unrivaled in the suburbs of Philadelphia. So that's why I go home. I don't even go home for Thanksgiving. I go home for Black Friday. Oh, man, me meg can agree with you on that one. Black Friday is Meg's absolute favorite holiday of all time. Mostly because she likes to punch people and buy things. It's fantastic. I can attest to that. I also love punching people and buying things. She was so disappointed this year though because like we live on Fifth Avenue, right? There are so many amazing stores right by us. Not a single fucking one of them did anything for Black Friday. They closed the night, you know, the night before and then didn't open until noon the next day. Fuck that. Yeah, Meg next year. If that happens again, you can come with me down to Philly and we'll, we'll do uh we'll do Black Friday in the Philadelphia area. It's way better. Uh So yeah, we did that and then for everyone who is listening, we are recording this on a Sunday. So that means tomorrow is Cyber Monday, which is the second best day of the year. So I dropped about 200 something bucks on Friday and I'm probably gonna drop like another 200 something bucks tomorrow on Cyber Monday. So may the savings be ever in all of your favors? I can get behind Cyber Monday. I mean, nothing says, you know, happy, happy holidays. Like paying the exact same price you would have paid three months ago for something on Amazon. Exactly. And with that, let's get started with our first segment which is global news. It's round bing Bong. Fuck your life. Your global news. First up in global news. Hey, yo, this past week we got a brand spanking new panel from the good people over at Galaxy Con with Neil Campbell. Barry Bostwick and Patricia Quinn were obligated to run advertisements at the top of the segment to give you a taste of the various plugs. Everyone started the panel off with visit Barry at his website at W W W dot Barry Boswick dot com where you can buy funky clocks, his underwear and much more. Visit Nell's yet to be published site little nell Campbell dot com. New and coming soon. Not that little now has any idea when and lastly visit Patricia Quinn's site at Patricia Quinn dot co dot UK, which is a non for profit site run for Pat by a mega fan named Katie Woohoo. Now that we've got that out of the way, we're going to give you a little rundown on the most fun bits starting the interview early. Little gets the first stocks of the night by letting us know Patricia Quinn lives at Primrose Hill. Thank you. That's gonna be very useful in the future. And we learned that pat follows and is regularly entertained by Nell's Instagram. Barry has a Facebook but he got rid of Instagram and he doesn't tweet because too many crazy people follow him. Jacob after explaining this little Nell teaches Barry that he can block people. Oh, it's so cute to see the Boomers giving each other tech tips after the websites are brought out and introductions are over. We get to some questions which I'm sure is what all you want to hear about. First up funniest behind the scenes moment. Is it just me or does everything we say about Gala involved? The same three people being asked the same three questions? Yes. But for each panel, there's a chance that they'll mix up their answers and then the piece becomes primo rocky horror content. While Barry couldn't figure his answer out, he was adamant that the filming for all the poll scenes was very cold and not at all funny. What a great answer, Uncle Barry and in what will come as absolutely no surprise to fans of Little Nell. It turns out she's the fun slutty one out of herself. Barry and pat her funniest behind the scenes. Memory is a behind the scenes orgy occurring between performances of the Rocky Horror show. Surprisingly, it's apparently Little Nell's first and only orgy. So while there's a lot of fun discourse on the orgy, Little Nell is adamant about a few things. One orgies are quote, not sexual. I'm leaving. Right. Two that she will not be sharing the orgy participants to everyone and three that her and Patricia will talk about it in detail later. Ok, I'm here for that. So coming off of this orgy more like coming into the orgy. Nice John got him, Mary having not performed at the live show, asks what opening night was like, Quinn and Pat let him know that it was absolutely magical and that they were terrifically well received from the moment the usher at walked across the stage. After that, they went back to the audience and an anonymous viewer asked, what is your favorite song from the Rocky Horror Picture Show which leads Little Nell to try to convince Barry Anonymous is a Latin name and not a cover for people without user names, which gets the conversation off on another tangent as Barry mentions his son and the second docs of the podcast. If anyone is looking for Boswick the second, he's currently at Cambridge, that'll be useful too. Finally, we get back to the question answers in Little Nell's favorite song from the show is Pat singing science fiction double feature. And we're unfortunately cut off before anyone else can answer. Of course, somehow Barry mentions that he thinks a part of the reason Jim Sharman picked up the Rocky horror picture show was due to its non religious nature and the fact that he was tired of religious shows, that's probably true. Jim Sharman had done Jesus Christ, superstar and all the other stuff. So, yeah. No, I can feel that this panel was kind of all over the place. I mean, I'm here for it. We're totally here for it. And this, of course, led to a bigger conversation on who believes in what higher power. Barry believes in an Eastern sort of greater consciousness. Little Nell doesn't believe in God and Pat Quinn likes her religious privacy, which means she's a Christian. I'm sorry, the conversation gets back on track and we learn Barry's favorite song from the show is This Blew Me Away. I'm going home. Go figure to me said no one ever. Yeah. And Quinn's science fiction double feature though, her and Nell agree they really loved all the music from the show. Last question of the night, did you get to keep anything from the set of the film? So this was really interesting. Patricia Quinn references that a part of her space suit. She recently found it at her home and she didn't even realize that she had taken it home from the set. Little now has her original script. Now, you might think next you would find out the fun piece of rocky memorabilia. Barry took home or instead little now might for some reason go into a deep dive on a con theory. She has that Jeff Bezos and all the recent billionaires who've been flying into space are being methodically targeted and killed by alien entities. Of course, you can only learn what happens if you check out the podcast right towards the end at minute, 37 40 seconds in a few more highlights. Little Nell hates William Shatner. Pat Quinn thinks she's one of the most delightful men she's ever met. Barry thinks he made a lot of money off of going to space. I bet all three of those are actually true. So next question, if each person could have planned and taken any one thing home from the show, Barry would have taken his original pair of underwear in an answer that he turned into an advertisement for his undergarments. Little Nell would have kept her first outfit, a tail coat hat and tap shoes. Me too. And the conversation veered off track before we could get anything out of Pat. So like always this Galaxy Con panel was really fun and some of the tidbits we've mentioned are just a small taste of the conversation. You can of course, find the whole thing at the link available in our show notes. Next up, if you're looking for some great holiday gifts for the Rocky Nerd in your life, an online shop called, you wouldn't believe it has recently posted some new additions to the Rocky Horror wood carving line wood. Oh my God, we've spoken about this company on the show before. But for those of you who may have missed the story. A Londoner named Mike was diagnosed with adult onset A DH D and A S D back in 2019 and decided to take up wood carving art as a way of dealing with the diagnosis and symptoms. He grew to love the creative outlet. Making custom wooden art provides and opened up his own small business called You Believe It, where he creates three dimensional wooden art for different movies and TV shows as well as making custom commission pieces for clients. A few months ago, Mike was on Facebook promoting his new Rocky horror piece, Frank seated on a pair of big red lips and just this week, Mike has been back on the Rocky groups promoting two brand new themed Rocky projects. The first is a hand painted wooden plaque featuring Brad and Janet in front of the home of happiness, Denton sign. You know, right before Brad proposes beneath them are the words damn it, Janet, I love you. The product description reads a declaration of love for anyone who happens to be called Janet. This would make the perfect gift for anyone called Janet. If you don't know anyone called Janet, buy it for yourself and change your name to Janet. You wouldn't, it's very cute. You wouldn't believe it is not responsible for anyone who changes their name to Janet in order to purchase this item. I will also not be held to account for customers having damn it, Janet stuck in their head like an annoying ear worm for eternity as a result of purchasing this item. Thanks. That's gonna be now, I got to listen to that for the next hour. Each piece has been cut out of various thicknesses of birch plywood to give each character some depth. It's then painted, spray painted and varnished in a gloss finish. These gorgeous plaques can be purchased for the low, low cost of £95. That's about 100 and $25 in freedom bucks or roughly 24 Frank jackets. And speaking of Frank jackets, the second piece up for grabs is a Frank Inverter holiday ornament featuring our favorite sweet transvestite dressed in his full sweetie ensemble, topped with a Santa hat. These ornaments are still in the process of being made in small batches. Mike has two batches underway already and all of those have already been claimed. Way to go, Mike make that money. The ornaments retail for £25 that's $33 or roughly 90 Frank jackets plus shipping. And I don't think that's the correct exchange rate for Frank Jackets. It's not 90 Frank jackets. It's, that's like not even the price of a single pin that's on that Frank jacket. You're an idiot. If you're interested in purchasing one, you can message Mike directly on Facebook and he'll custom make you. One of your own details can be found on his Facebook promotional post along with a super cute photo of the ornament. All of this is of course linked for you in our show notes. And with that, let's head on over to everyone's favorite segment. Community news. Thank you, Aaron First, up in community news, the ordinary kids out of North Jersey will be hosting an extra special crossover show, featuring performances from Rocky Horror Picture Show, Hoboken and the Tere Players of Boston. Oh, I mean, you all know we here at Rocky Talkie, love a guest performance show and the idea of getting three casts together on the same stage. Now, that sounds like the best time. Have you guys ever done three casts on stage together outside of a con? I think our cast might have at some point. I just can't think of any particular instance outside of like all the New England people technically belong to 1000 casts apiece. Yeah, that was gonna be my answer. I was like, yeah, Rowan and Harley perform with us kind of regularly before the pandemic and they are both on at least two casts each. So like that technically counts, right? I mean, Rowan shows up for an event and great. You got six casts represented, right? I feel like if you would count Rocky Horror alum as a second cast, we've had plenty of shows where um N Y C alum Phil has performed alongside of like us and then Harley or Us and then Rowan or something like that. Yeah, I, I always love those shows. Not just because you get to see people that you don't normally see, but because you get to see all of the different interpretations and just the little things that are slightly different. Like, oh, you guys block the, the elevator over there and, oh, ok. I didn't know we have aisles in this theater to use, you know, that kind of stuff. Oh, you know what? I actually do have an answer for this. Do I do? Now? Now that I think about it, I, I thought about it. Ok. Um So aside from all of that with Rowan Harley's guesting with us, Phil, coming back, if you count the Alums, there was one time we actually did have three casts on one stage and it was in Pittsburgh. So me and Savannah who are both part of N Y C went out there to perform in a regular one-off J C C P show. We were Riff and Magenta and then, and additionally, 13 from R K O was out there with us as well. I don't remember exactly who 13 played, but 13 was there. Me and Savannah were there and then J C C P was there. So that is definitely three casts on one stage. Uh Right. Three casts, one stage. My favorite. I'm going to the Pirate Bay dot com. Right. Now. Nothing. What about you, Nicky? I have absolutely nothing. Cool. Well, it sounds like the best time. Congrats to the ordinary kids for getting a bunch of the community together for something so fun for anyone in the North Jersey area. The show will take place on December 11th at nine PM at the Claridge, a historic theater in Montclair, New Jersey. There will also be a live preshow set by the Mary Lou's a spooky sometimes Kooky horror rock band from New Jersey. All audience members are encouraged to dress up and of course, wear a mask. That sounds fun. Hell yeah. And if you just can't get enough of the ordinary kids cast, we've got a double whammy for you. This week, our friends in New Jersey just released their first enamel pin, which is now available for purchase. And if you can't get enough of the ordinary kids cast, please stop listening to us. This enamel pin is a pair of the lips and a very poppy pink and blue with the words you're ok by me outlining gold across the top. Oh, I get it. Ordinary kids. Ok, by me. Ok. The pin is adorable and would make a great addition to any frank jacket if you're interested in checking it out. We've got a link for you in our show notes and if you'd like to purchase your very own, all you gotta do is shoot the ordinary kids. A message pins are $10 plus shipping and all purchases really help support the cast. If you buy one, make sure to tag the cast in whatever adorable selfies you take with it. Who doesn't love getting to see their own merch in action. Next up, we have another new video in from the Francis Bacon Experiment about something that has been very near and dear to me and Aaron's Heart recently creating costumes and props on a budget. This video was everything Ali and Jamie took time to break down and share with us exactly how they make the spacesuits. Their cast has been using during performances. Recently, these are absolutely not edge creations, level accurate suits, not by a long shot, but they look great are ultra affordable and look super easy to transport to and from theater venues for those of you who haven't had a chance to watch the video yet the secret ingredient of the suits are table cloths, the heavy kind that are lined with batting to give them structure hot glue and different kinds of duct tape. That's it crazy. Ali is extremely forthcoming about the fact that these suits probably aren't winning any awards for most screen accurate costume, but they do look great on stage from a seat in the audience which at the end of the day is the thing that really matters. Jamie and Ally also talked about another notoriously difficult prop to create this space gun. Recently, they went ahead and ordered a 3d printed one from set worshipers run by our cast members, Hillary Manning and Maya Turki here in New York City. Not even a shameless plug. Order everything from them. They're incredible. But before that recent purchase, they were rocking an old prop gun with the devil's pitch fork attached to the front and apparently it worked just fine to get that three prong effect much like my penis. The moral of the story with all of this as ally very succinctly put it is that there's no wrong way to Rocky. We're all just trying to put on a good show. And if high price items like custom spacesuits aren't in your budget right now, it doesn't mean that you can't still put on a great show. I've got to say it was very validating to get to hear some of this stuff discussed because New York City has been doing shows at so many different venues recently. We haven't really been able to do a full show with all of our big screen accurate props. We've been having to use a lot of smaller stuff, stuff that's easy to break down that we can transport by foot or by cab. So for example, we have a big nice wooden tank that we used to use at all of our shows, you know, pre Patagonia and we kept it in a closet in our theater, but right now we haven't got a permanent theater. So getting to use that tank would be pretty much impossible. So instead we've just been using two lights stands that you just go get at like Home Depot and a red bed sheet that's just spread across them and tied to the top. Works great. Does it look anything like a tank? Absolutely not. It looks like a red bed sheet hung up on two light stands. But does it get the point across the audience? Yep. Does it give us a tank like structure for Jennet and Rocky to do touch it in also? Yup. Yeah. And we've been kind of compromising uh in this way on a bunch of stuff. One of the things that everybody always wants to have is a nice throne for Frank to sit on during, you know, uh sweet tea. Uh but hauling that around is an absolute no go but every single venue is have a folding chair. So we went ahead and picked up uh some of those like seat covers that you see uh like at weddings and stuff, you know how they put, you know, nice seat covers on the shitty chairs to make them look kind of cool where you can go get a black one and you can also get like a silver, like kind of accent piece that goes around the back of it. Slap those two things together and you've got a makeshift throne. It's pretty great. We've also been picking up smaller hand props that aren't perfectly screen accurate but are small enough to be easy to transport. Things like a very small bouquet, things like some, some toy weights for Rocky. Uh, we've got a nice small form factor pick ax that works very well. Uh, things that, you know, you can kind of just say it's close enough because it's only on screen for a little while. Yeah, F N S doesn't, a lot of like prop work arounds and the cutest one we have is instead of like a transducer wall that a lot of casts have. We have. It's a sign and our director like put led s into it. So it like lights up with a switch and it's supposed to be like the sonic transducer that Riff and Magenta used to freeze all the people and we put it on an audience member and it opens up like another chance to pull people on stage and to change like their Rocky horror experience. And it's just really cute and really awesome. I really like that one a lot. I absolutely love that one when the lights light up on it. The first time I saw that from you guys, I was just like, oh, well, that's clever as shit and looks awesome. Yeah, I mean, this whole topic is something that I've kind of been struggling with personally, since we've returned to performances. Like I take a lot of pride in keeping screen accurate. So the idea of fully embracing budget and transportable options. That's been really difficult for me to reconcile in my head. But at the end of the day, it helps to keep in mind that it's not about us as performers. It's not about what we specifically like. It's about the show that we're putting on for the audience. And as long as they're having a great time and they're enjoying themselves, like they don't give a single fuck what the tank looks like just that, you know, Janet and Rocky are behind it, hamming it up while he grabs her boobies. God, I wish that were me. So thank you to Allie and Jamie over at Francis Bacon for sharing all these tips and insights with us while also being very validating. If you want to check out the whole video, it's linked for you in our show notes. And if you've got some budget costuming tips that your cast uses, write them in to share with the community, I know lots of casts could probably benefit from your tips the same way that we're all being helped out by Buffalo. Just go to our website Rocky talky podcast dot com and fill out our form to share with us. Did somebody say Boobies, Jacob? That was like three lines ago? I know. I know my spidey senses started tingling and it took me a sec to get my computer booted up. I'm sorry. I really got to work on that reaction time. Well, since you're here. Uh, we've got a write in this week and, uh, I guess you can help us read it this week. The write in is from Harley in New England and they write hi friends. I was really excited over my new piece of artwork and thought y'all might like to hear about it and I'd love to hear y'all's thoughts on it for those who don't know me, I'm an illustrator that loves nothing more than Rocky horror fan art. I've done a series of the characters as classic pinups pride themed mermaids and even N S F W I currently design Merch for Fred at the Arca O Army Wild and untamed things on Etsy and the Edison boutique Zephyr's Etsy. This new piece was inspired by classic fantasy stories. We have Sir Majors protecting Princess Janet from the evil wizard Franken Furter with his golden manmade dragon. There's lots of shenanigans behind the scenes from the jester riffraff, Barmaid, Magenta belly dancer Columbia and the scholar, Doctor Scott, all in the pages of Denton Fairytales. So what kind of things do you think the characters in this universe get up to? What other crazy themes would you like to see the Rocky cast in? I wanna hear all your thoughts heart. You can find more of my silly doodles over at beams doodles on Instagram. Anyways, thanks for looking and being so fantastic. Hope to hear from y'all soon. Oh, this is fucking great. I love Harley's artwork and this is just a creme de la creme. Absolutely fantastic. I love this theme. I especially love all of these kind of things that take Rocky and put it in a different context and, and this one's great. This is like medieval rocky horror. Like, so what do you guys think? What, what shenanigans is? Medieval Rocky getting up to? Is it the, the Quest for the holy dildo? Is it the uh the Knights of the Round Tank? I kind of liked Aaron just saying things into the ether to see what stuck. I don't know very many medieval stories. Oh man. Fucking riffraff. Like throwing poop out the window. So cute. Shut up. Are you Harley Drew this? Are you fucking kidding me? Isn't it? Fucking great? Look. Oh my God. Stop right now. And today Nicky found out that Harley was, in fact talented. I knew Harley was talented, but when we were, I thought, I don't know what I thought we were talking about. I didn't think we were talking about this. I'll be honest with you. Um I'd let that Billy dancer Columbia do horrible things to me. I want to look like medieval Janet. I'm envious and horny at the same time. Do you notice that? Like his little, that Brad's shield is like his patch but updated 13 63. Look at Magenta's boos, dude. Are you kidding? I wish my boo looked like that too. I think I need this on a shirt, right? Like this is exactly a shirt I would wear hardly do it. Red Bubble this shit. I love Harley. Thank you so much for sharing this doodle with us. It's totally gorgeous and it's so clear. You spent a ton of time and effort working on it. I personally can't wait to see this design on like a t-shirt or something. I mean, as someone who wears almost exclusively rocky themed shirts, I said it before, this would make a great addition to my collection and I'm always a sucker for genre crossing ones. I've got this one where it's like a Rocky mixed with Star Wars kind of thing. And somehow Columbia has a magician's wand anyway. I mean, this, this beats that out for originality. Like I have that friend shirt like the, the Franken Furter friends, like looking one that one's kind of cool too. But you know, man, I just give me these sweet, sweet, sweet crossovers. Well, while we're talking about crossover art, Harley has come up with a little bit of a surprise for us that we wanted to open up on air. I don't know if y'all remember, but about a week ago in our show's group text, we were talking about having some promotional art commission. Of course, as the group was comprised of us, it got really stupid, really fucking quick. Shut the fuck up. Uh Nicky Jacob Meg has sent over some screenshots of that chat do you want to do a little bit of a dramatic reading of your art? Wait, you didn't say this, you said oh my God. Shut up. Hold on. Ok. So I suggested mom and dad Meg and Aaron with angsty teenager, John and me and Jacob are like babies. Jacob is crying and I am absolutely kicking his baby ass because I am the strongest baby canonically. Then I reply with, I secretly have a gun as a baby. It's a baby safe gun just waiting for my moment to shoot and maim her because I am the most gun baby. Little does he know three days prior, I was fitted for a baby sized bulletproof vest because I am the most prepared baby. I knew of your status as the most prepared baby. So I preempted the vest with reinforced bullets that go right through Kevlar because I am the most preemptive baby. So I said put editor Aaron in it, make him child size. Give him a comically large lollipop. Shut up, we get shut up, shut up. Who this opportunity was? Too good to pass up. Shut up. Producer Meg sent the messages over to Harley and they would be able to create this uh masterpiece. Of course, they were more than happy to oblige and they absolutely knocked this shit out of the park. You see it. You're me. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All right. So uh thanks as far. Of course, it does. I'm also wearing a, uh, a onesie that has the animal crossing leaf on it. Of course you are. Yeah. Got it. Oh. Oh, this is adorable. This is amazing. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Ok. You guys have to check this out in the show notes. But, uh, you know, it's a podcast so I'll give you a little bit. So it's got, oh, this is great. It's got meg in the background in like a fifties housewife dress holding a plate of, I don't know, cookies, brownies, something like that. Just giving us the, the dirty eye like she always does because we're doing stupid shit. Nicky and Jacob are like sitting here as babies going at it. Nicky's like giving Jacob the like, oh I'm watching you kind of hands back and forth thing. Jacob has his gun. He is the world's worst baby. Uh And of course me in the middle there with my number one hottest baby, goddamn it with my number one hottest baby. Uh Bib odd and I I'm, I'm clearly going to town on this fucking lollipop while uh John's sitting over in the corner in his onesie like tongue fucking a glass of milk like this is fucking amazing Hartley. I love this. It is absolutely wild to be able to capture the, the absolute asinine of Nicky and Jacobs back and forth while also kind of keeping the personality of everybody. Actually. Also Jacob that little bow in your hair. Looks fantastic. I love that little bow and my hair is so goddamn much. I might buy a bow and replicate that in real life. Um Yeah, we're gonna cost this sometime soon. Oh my God. Absolutely. I don't know where I'm gonna find a onesie with the animal crossing logo on it, but I'll find it. I just get a giant lollipop. This sounds great. I'm gonna get a candy comma. Right, because Aaron already has a bid that says number one hottest baby on it. Hey, that's for different purposes. Harley, thank you so much for humoring our ridiculous bullshit. This picture is absolutely gorgeous and we cannot wait to show everybody your fabulous work. I love it. You bamboozled. They messaged me and they were like, did you record yet? I was like, we're recording in like a half hour and they were like, OK, so many, many thanks to Harley for doing art and just generally being a wonderful person. Our community would absolutely not be the same without you. And with that, let's move on to everybody's favorite segment. Nack jerking it with Jacob. No, no. Fuck you not this week. Second best baby. Oh, fine. Fuck off. I'm out, bitches. Did, did he really just say fuck off and then leave himself and then he's gonna take his ball and go play with himself. Ok? Guys, I want a proper damn knack snack this week, I'm Nicky. And in these here parts, I asked the questions. So just the other day, we released an interview with Rowan Kamo about their new documentary project about Roy Rossi. And I actually wanted to talk about something that came up while we were chatting after our interview stopped rolling. What is the deal with Rocky horror documentaries you would think, given how long Rocky has been around and how many projects have come up over the years that there would be a lot of documentaries to pick and choose from. But when I start Googling around, I end up relatively empty handed and I feel like I have to be missing something. So what's the deal here? So I'm super happy to talk about Rocky horror documentaries, like high level. I think that's a fun topic, but unfortunately, you are gonna be pretty underwhelmed with some of the answers here. Well, jeez, don't get us too excited. Aaron, what's the problem? It's, it's mostly the lack of finished materials. So all told by my count, there are only two finished, published, released Rocky horror documentaries that ever made it out into the wild three if you count like the pseudo documentary behind the scenes footage that's like on the laser disk and the DVD and the Blu Ray, which we don't count. So, yeah, 2, 1980 one's the Rocky horror treatment and the 2000 release a regular Frankie fan. How is it too? I've seen so many other ones over the years shooting announcements and trailers and previews. And you're gonna tell me that in 45 years we've only had two releases and I'm gonna even call bullshit on the Rocky Horror treatment because I mean, I guess it's a documentary but let's be real. It feels a lot more like a 20 minute ad for shock treatment. Rowan mentioned the Rocky horror treatment specifically in our interview if you haven't checked it out, go take a listen to our exclusive interview with them. And yes, when it was released in 1981 it was basically just an ad for shock treatment, but it's not like that's a bad thing. There's some still really cool footage in there. Like you get to see the Eighth Street Playhouse, you get to see a very young Sapiro, there's genuine, you will never see this anywhere else. Interview clips with little now, Richard o'brien, Vance Parker and more I have seen this one. It's up on youtube and will be on our show notes for anyone who would like to watch. It's only 20 minutes and the quality isn't the best. But where did this come from? So the Rocky Horror treatment was produced literally as a direct to TV promotion to coincide with the run up to shock treatments release in 1981 directed by Don Klein and produced by Chuck Ashman. If you aren't familiar with their work, uh Don't be surprised from what I can gather. Don Klein also worked on a single episode of Welcome to Poo's Corner in 1983. And uh yeah, that's it. I'll go poo in the corner. You're fucking disgusting. No, I'm John. And I mean, there's not much to really say about the documentary. It's a nice time capsule of early Rocky horror culture. Everyone they interview this is still in the era when they're proudly proclaiming that like Rocky Horror is a cult and it's so crazy and out of this world and how awesome they are because they've personally seen it over 100 or 200 times fucking amateurs. The community hadn't quite figured out the party line had we. So, ok, that one's fun. A quick watch though. You mean to tell me that between 1981 and 2000, there wasn't a single other documentary. I mean, if there's one thing the community is good at, it's starting on projects that run into obstacles or just completely lose steam. Uh There were a handful of announced projects over the years but nothing was ever actually released. The closest thing uh came with the 1990 V H S release. There was a short blurb at the beginning of the tape that reminded viewers to keep watching after the credits roll for an exclusive look at the Rocky Horror phenomenon. But all you really got for sitting through the entire end credits was a six minute blurb using some updated footage from the 10th anniversary or maybe it was the 15th and they still had to cut in footage from the Rocky Horror treatment to get to a six minute run time. That's disappointing and not even a proper documentary. That's more like a special feature, which if you're looking for something that while not framed as a documentary is exclusive interviews. And ever before seen footage take a look at the behind the scenes footage that features Jim Sharman Richard o'brien and Tim Curry. Those interviews were done on set during filming and it's cut together in a way that at least vaguely tells the story of Rocky's origins, but I wouldn't even call it produced. It's edited for the sake of making it coherent. Not like you would produce a narrative with that documentary. Yeah, that's available on the DVD and the Blu Ray. You can go check that out. Uh Similarly in 2000, uh VH1 did their big tie in for Rocky Horror's 25th anniversary. There was a ton of like short little segments that were produced and aired on VH1. Some were vaguely documentary like others were just plain weird. This is where we get all of that footage of Richard o'brien where he's just walking around Oakley Court singing acoustic versions of the songs while he's like jamming out on his guitar. There's a couple of little tidbits that he drops in there, but again, it's not really a documentary. Those are weird. He's kind of telling little stories in between the songs, but it's very unproduced. I wouldn't call that a proper documentary either. Well, don't worry, in 2000, we get the only other proper entry on the list was called a regular Frankie Fin. And it was written, directed and produced by Scott Mabbett. This is the one that I think a lot of the community has seen. If you haven't go hunt down a copy, you can still find it on DVD, like relatively cheaply. I think there's even a copy somewhere on like Vimeo or something. Anyway, it's not that hard to find. Almost the entirety of the documentary was filmed at Southern California theaters in the run up to the new millennium. Mainly it features barely legal sins of the flesh, midnight insanity and a handful of others. Just like the Rocky horror treatment was a time capsule of late seventies, early eighties. Rocky, a regular Frankie fan is basically the same vibe just 20 years later. I'm pretty sure I watched this with you, Aaron. I know Meg likes to show this one off because it's well, frankly, super absurd, frankly, nice reviews online for a regular Frankie fan are pretty mixed for the non Rocky folks out there. They seem to bemoan that it really doesn't do a great job actually telling anyone about Rocky. It comes across disjointed and with a lot of random stories from community members that are barely related to Rocky. And when they do actually talk about Rocky, the same three points. The Rocky Party line was out in full force by 2000. Rocky is sexy. Rocky is weird. Rocky is accepting and a place for everyone personally. This was one of the first glimpses into the wider community that I had when I first joined, I picked up a copy of this in the very early two thousands, probably 2004, 2005 after I joined my first cast. But before I had really delved in head first, I was like following the discussions on the news group and all that. So this documentary was a nice way to put some faces to some names. People like Mark Tamao Liz Stockton, Becky Bill on, you know, lots of the big names from the nineties and two thousands over on the West coast scene. I could not tell you who a single one of those people are. I never saw this thing and honestly, I think it's a little too cringe for me to really want to sit down and watch like I ain't got time for that. Yeah, I think that's kind of the takeaway here is that if you aren't involved in Rocky, like deeply involved in the community, this thing didn't have a cohesive story. And if you are involved in the community, you're seeing people who certainly by now, many of them have been out of the community for going on 20 years. At this point, you literally have people in this that were involved in Rocky before current cast members were even born. I, I don't like that at all. Suck it. Boomer. But I mean, what else even is there? Like as far as I know this is the only documentary that has been given a proper release. And when you look at the production quality, you can see some of the sacrifices that they had to make to even get it out the door. There's no license footage of the actual film. There's only covers of a few songs, no interviews with the big name actors or anybody from the production team. The footage quality. Audie varies greatly. Much of it is shot on early generation digital video cameras like the audio isn't great. Honestly, one of the cooler things though is that they got Paul Williams to do the narration. Who's he uh he played Swan in Phantom of the Paradise. Maybe you remember him as El Sso Pianist, right? From the original Muppets movie, Not Ringing a Bell. He's, he's mostly known as like a songwriter. He wrote for three Dog Night Karen Carpenter and his songs were sung by Elvis Sinatra Streisand stuff like um we've only just begun and just an old fashioned love song and oh The Muppets, uh he, he worked on Rainbow Connection. Absolutely none of this. I love my curry. Huh? Are you all right? OK. Well, fuck your life. So those are the only two documentaries that were ever completed. But what about the others? Can we talk about those? OK. So in the interest of completeness, I am happy to talk about Rocky Horror. Save my life for a few minutes. But just so our listeners know I don't have any more information than you do. But briefly, if you're not aware, Rocky Horror, save My life was a project that was kick started about eight years ago to produce a fanmade documentary. Uh It was conceived by Sean Stutler, produced by Larry Weisel. There were a lot of members in the community that contributed to this thing. They raised over $65,000 on Kickstarter and then raised an additional second round of over $16,000 on Indiegogo along with a couple other backing campaigns and you know, other ways that you could donate and contribute. Uh The 1st 15 minutes of it were posted on youtube back in 2016, there was a screening of a unfinished version at the 40th anniversary. There was a screening of a part of the documentary at R K 02, some appearances at Jenk Con and a handful of other events. However, and this is the thing that sticks in everybody's craw. No version has ever been released on DVD. No version has ever been released online and no version has ever been sent to the backers that actually back the project. The most recent update from a few years back, talks about having difficulty with distribution. They apparently were running into some trouble trying to get the license for showing actual clips of the film, you know, Rocky Horror. And there was a strong sense that they didn't want to distribute it or publish it without having a distribution deal with a major distributor. Because if you're not aware, once you release a film, a distributor is not going to pick it up, it's already been released, there's nothing exclusive to them. And once you've released a film, like normally you can't then take it to go show at uh festivals and other things because it's a released film, it's no longer eligible for the festival circuit. So those things are what has been publicly communicated as the main reasons that this thing has not actually seen the light of day and made it into our hot little hands. I think we can all say just release the damn movie. Yeah, I mean, this is me personally talking right now. I, I think that it's kind of become a joke at this point. Like I have no desire to sit through another sneak peek for this at a convention. Like most of the people in this thing, a lot of them are already out of the community, some of them for almost a decade. And frankly, it's disappointing that such a massive community effort may actually never see the light of day, Sean. I know you don't listen to the show at this point. You're just pissing everybody off waiting for the 50th is not going to help this thing, just release the damn movie and maybe regain some of the faith that the community generously placed in you. But that's not the only in progress documentary that's currently floating around out there. I wasn't aware of this other one at all. There's one called the Rocky Horror phenomenon. It was in production right up until the start of the Panera bread and this one actually seems pretty promising. Yeah, this one comes out of Germany and seems to be taking a different approach from stuff like a regular Frankie fan and Rocky Horror saved my life. Instead of focusing solely on the community, it looks to be all about the play, the film, the actors and Rocky Horror, the piece of art with the community taking a bit of a sideline and from what we saw before, you know, the world turned to shit. This was looking very, very promising. Uh There's clips and blog post articles that the production team had posted online where they are talking about where they're at with filming like they had already interviewed most of the stars of the film, you know, Barry Boswick, Susan, Sarandon, little now Patricia Quinn, like they had talked to a lot of the production members, Sue Blaine, uh Jim Sharman, Richard Hartley, like they have exclusive looks at some of the props and models that were done for the film. There was for the first time ever Sue Blane showed off some of the original costume renderings that you had never seen anywhere before. These were super cool. Uh You should definitely go check them out. They're up on their Facebook page. They you gotta scroll away because this is like 2019 when these came out. Um They even got an interview with Jim Sharman and this is one of my favorite quotes that that came from this interview where he says after this interview, I will probably never speak about Rocky Horror again to this extent. So like, that's huge, right? You get, you get the man, you know, who was one of the two most pivotal people or the three most pivotal people. However, you want to count it uh who contributed to this, who's doing an interview kind of the last Ara you know, at least in his mind for speaking about Rocky. So before the pandemic, the production team was all set to fly to the US and to do their interviews with people like Sapiro and Lili and like all of the kind of community members that, you know, built up the cult in the late seventies. Uh But obviously, that went to shit. Uh It was originally planned to have a 2020 release date. It's kind of indeterminate what's happening now. Um I know that their production team suffered the loss of one of their members that was incredibly unfortunate. Uh Obviously, our, our thoughts go out to them. But hopefully, hopefully, hopefully this will get out of delay. Hell and you know, maybe, maybe come out sometime uh 2022 maybe. Hopefully, uh I certainly hope this one can rise from the ashes. And if not, hopefully someday the interviews can be made available. As I would imagine that there's a lot of never before heard stories and insights in them. We've also got to give a brief shout out to all the smaller scale fan and student produced documentaries that have been released over the years. I know college students love to use Rocky as a topic for anything from short projects to senior thesis films. I was actually interviewed for a senior thesis film on Friday night. We've had a number of them come interview the cast in New York over the years. Most of the time they kind of ask the same questions much like we've seen in the other documentaries that we've talked about. The party line, you say? Yeah. Right. It's all about uh you know, what is this movie about? Because they'd rather hear it from us rather than them doing a voice over over some b roll talks about like, you know what we've done or like our journey within the Rocky community. We've had conversations and talks about uh things like favorite Callbacks and the history behind how Callbacks evolved, history behind how performing in front of the stage evolved into what we have now. You know that kind of stuff. It always ends on a nice poignant emotional note about how Rocky is there for the weird kids, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah. I mean, a lot of the questions that, that you see are, are always kind of the same. I mean, that's why the party line has become the party line. Right. Rocky's a place for everyone, regardless of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, right? You know, all that kind of stuff that we all kind of have down pat as our answers for this. There's only so many things you can really say about that. A lot of the problem, not the problem, but a lot of the kind of reason is that all of these people uh college students, especially who come at Rocky to create a documentary generally aren't coming at it with a lot of experience in the community. They're coming at it from an outsider's perspective, which is a great perspective for a documentary. It's just, it's nothing new or original for us in the community to kind of see it's that I, I've seen a number of these and like some of them that have popped up are very well produced. They're very well put together, but you play through them and you're just like, oh yes, there is. So and so from our cast, saying the bit about Lewis Fry at the Waverly Theater in 19 7, you know, kind of thing, uh which is fun, but also, you know, I hope they got an A but it's, it's nothing that we're going to write home about to the community. Uh In addition to, you know, college documentaries and all the small scale stuff, there's also a lot of local efforts. Uh I know that Frankie's favorite obsessions out of Las Vegas did a documentary about 10 years ago. Uh It tracked their cast history from the prior couple of decades. Um And there's also a number of smaller segments that people have put together that have been shown at conventions either as like pre shows or fun little one offs. Those are always fun to see. And generally when they're community produces, they have a different kind of edge to them, a different kind of angle that is always, you know, fun to, to take a look at and I hate to be the one to mention it, but we should probably talk about all of the documentary footage out there around the Rocky Horror remake from 2016 or we could fucking not. Oh, why not? This, this one's actually kind of interesting because it's a look at what kind of deep exposure to the cast and crew you get when documenting modern films. So in the run up to the remakes TV, premiere, there was just a ton of footage that was published on youtube and on Vimeo and all over social media, they had interviews with the cast and interviews with the crew. They talked about all kinds of different topics from like their characters, motivations to like their own personal experiences with Rocky Horror. There's even a bunch of exclusive looks at costumes and props and the sets. I mean, I used a bunch of this footage in order to recreate the Eddie and Columbia costumes that Meg and I, I wore for Halloween a few years back. Yes, we did Eddie and Columbia remake costumes. Uh and they show, you know, all this kind of stuff, Meg was sitting there scrolling through them while she was making her Columbia costume. I was doing the same thing, screen capturing them to try and get, you know, the high resolution version of like the image that's on Eddie's t-shirt and stuff. These were fantastic resources. Uh It's just a shame that they're about the remake. I mean, really, it's all the stuff we wish we had from the original film. Fox's marketing department really went all out to try to give the fans exclusives into the production process. It's just a shame. The remake sucked. And that's our show. We want to thank Carly for their write in and for sharing their gorgeous art with us. We'd also like to thank Rowan for joining us on air last weekend to talk about their doc, a portrait of Roy Rossi that combo aired a few days ago as a special bonus 10 40 7-Eleven. If you haven't gotten to check that out yet. Please do yourself a favor and go listen to it. That film is going to be fucking awesome. And we're all super excited for it. And as always, we'd like to thank Jacob for writing and being on air with us this week, we'd also like to thank Aaron from Tennessee for all his help with editing Aaron's the only 10 I see. Shut up. If anyone has a question, they'd like us to answer on air for Nicky asked a question or some community news they'd like us to talk about or even just a cool story to share with the community. We'd love to include it in our show. Just go to our website that's rocky talky podcast dot com and fill out our contact form to tell us all about it. If you're enjoying Rocky Talkie, please help us out by rating, reviewing and subscribing to the show. It makes the podcast more accessible to new listeners, which really helps us grow the show. And if you want even more Rocky Talky content, check us out on Facebook, youtube, Instagram and tiktok all at Rocky Talkie podcast. We'll talk to you next week. Bye. See you pussy bong. Fuck your life. What's up, baby? Take me out to dinner. I really need to go watch this Tik Tok video. My eye itches. Oh my God. Scratch it. And with that, let's head on on over next up. We've got another new video in from the Francis bacon experiment about something that has been very near and dear to me and John's heart recently. God damn it experiment. But something about something that has been very near and dear to who, who is this supposed to be? Probably mag.