Hello to all of you. Unconventional conventions. Welcome to Rocky talkie. I'm Nicky. I'm Jacob and I'm Aaron. Hi, guys. Hi, Nicky. I know it's only been a week but it just feels like ages since we've last talked. It's just, it's so it's so great to hear from you. It has been ages since I have been here. That is a true fact. Is this not John? No, this is, this is Jacob. Our name sound very much alike but I just thought John had a cold. Yeah, you do sound really different, John. Um does John sound this sexy when he has a cold? Yeah. So John, what have you been up to this week? I have been doing all those John things, you know, I've been taking my bald head places and looking really cool while I'm doing it. Uh my girlfriend just tra is traveling the United States with the cast of hairspray. So that was my John impression guys. Did you like it? I think I did really well. Is it it's not, but John's not good at facts either. So, is it not hairspray? I thought it was, ain't too proud. It ain't too proud. Well, big congrats to Savannah. Hell, yeah. But, you know, in less exciting news. How are you, Aaron? I'm good. Finally got a little bit of a break from rocky stuff, uh, for the last week or so. So I've been doing, uh, doing a lot of work, doing a lot of, uh, other things. We just posted an article this other day that's kind of a half blog post, half kind of, uh, dig through uh crazed imaginations. Issue number two. Yes. Five months after I posted issue number one's review, I have posted issue number two's review. So go check that out. That's caught up on our website. It's a bit of like, oh, this is what was going on with Rocky Talky with me and Meg uh and a uh a review of a 20 year old fanzine. So go check it out what's going on with you, Jacob. Not much, but I did just buy my Christmas present for my girlfriend. Uh This is one of them. I'm getting uh I'm not gonna be probably back on the show before Christmas. I know it's a little early but I'm not gonna have another chance to say it. So I'm saying my gift now because it's wait, can I guess it? Uh There's no way you're gonna guess it. But is it the beanbag with the blanket and the pillow attached to it? That is one gift I'm getting for her. That's something she sent me and was like, hey, ask me. So I'm doing that but that, that pales in comparison to the, to the real creme de la creme gift. So in our relationship, I call Andrea, my son and my stars and she calls me her moon in her sky. So I am getting matching t-shirts, matching t-shirts. Mine will say, hey, I'm pretty cool. But have you talked to my son and my stars? And hers is gonna say, hey, I'm pretty cool. But if you talk to my moon in my sky, so and then she's gonna like orgasm on site when she picks up the shirts because it's, you know, it's pretty fucking gay. So yeah, she's gonna love it. I sure would. No, you need to instead of that like cancel that order because that's dumb. Um Get the shirts that say like if lost, return to Andrea and then I'm Andrea. I think that that would be objectively better and I got some, I'm with stupid t shirts that you could just take a sharpie to. No, I love that. That's hilarious dude. Yeah. Thank you. That it's gonna be awesome. No, I bet you'll love it. That's awesome. All right. And Nicky, how was your week? Um This was my first week off of Rocky since September. Um So it was weird. It was a weird week. I was very like, I was very lost. I was like, I don't know what to do to me and my friend drove down to T C N J to visit one of my friends that goes there and we hung out with him. And while we were there, we met, ok, not to like, be out of pocket on air, but we met like the hottest girl I've ever seen in my entire life. Uh and she was wonderful and she was so nice and then she was like, I'm doing a play on Friday. You should come. So, you know what I did on Friday, I drove back down to T C N J and I went and saw a play. Um So, you know, that was, I didn't think that I was going to see a play. I didn't, that wasn't really on the radar. But you know, I, when a beautiful woman tells you to see a play, you see a play. So that's what I did. Um It was a cabaret, it wasn't a play, but she called it a play and I use her word as a word of law. Um But it was just like a bunch of songs about travel, which made me sad because I want to go traveling. But it was really good. Like T C N J s theater department. Incredible. And I really had fun. It was a very good time and I got to see David, which was also very fun. Shout out to David. I love you. And yeah, that was my week. Not much does David. Go to T C N J. Yes, he does. Awesome not to do him right. He lives in S at 213 Samson Hall. That's not his hall. You don't have to cut that out. But, you know, with the casual doxing of my best, good friend, let's get started with our first segment. Let's do it. A global news. So, first up in global news, um guys, we've got a bit of sad news to share with our listeners, Henry Wolf passed away just this past weekend at the age of 91. So Rocky people will undoubtedly know him as uh Betty and Ralph's wedding photographer at the start of the movie. He's the one who makes sure to get the parents and the grandparents. Yes. All the close family into the picture that uh he's taking outside of the church. But Henry himself was as prolific as his line in the movie, answering audience callbacks about who he'd like to fuck. He was an incredibly accomplished actor portraying Frankie Barrow in the 19 seventies BBC sitcom Steptoe and son. And appearing numerous times in doctor who during the Tom Baker years, Henry met his wife Susan when they performed together in the West End and Broadway tour of the Meat, sad, a romance tale about the Marquis De Sas time in a French institution. Henry and his wife moved to Saskatoon Canada in the seventies. And one of his favorite stories to tell was that of him telling an elderly woman in Saskatoon that he and his wife met on Broadway when the woman assumed he was talking about Broadway Avenue, Saskatoon, Henry said, I thought this was the place I wanted to live. They won't allow me to be conceded. People here are unpretentious. Say Saskatoon again, Saskatoon. Nice fucking Canadians, man. You guys will never know how many times Aaron fucked up saying Saskatoon in this one recording alone, Henry was a lifelong actor and remained in Canada for the rest of his days. In 2015, he was awarded the Saskatchewan Order of Merit, a theater arts award that is annually given by Saskatoon. Henry is survived by his wife, Susan and his four Saskatoon Children. Henry, thank you so much for sharing your talent with the world. Rocky would not have been the same without you and we'll see you on the other side next up. We've got some great news about Bray Film studios. The creepy studio where Rocky Horror Picture Show was shot as well as both old and new horror movies such as a few of the original Dracula films, as well as the 2020 Dracula series studios used to have the Rocky Castle in their cache of shooting locations and though the manor has moved on to bigger and better bed and breakfast aspirations, Rocky will always be a core piece of Bray's rich history. Nothing creepily horrific for the studio today. Just the good news that Bray has been approved for a major expansion including nine new sound stages, four workshops, a rehearsal building offices, accommodation, and 750 parking spaces. Who do you know how many cars you can fit into a space that big? I would guess 750 at least at least three, the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenheads Development Management Committee. That's the group in charge of approving the expansion voted 7 to 2 in favor of the plans for the site at two different locations down place. And Water Oakley counselors were even told the plans would create about 1500 full time jobs at the studio as well as inject 100 and £39 million a year into the UK economy or about 100 and $86 million for non tea drinking economies. That's approximately 62,000 frank jackets. I'll take one back in 2012. Uh We actually almost lost Bray Studio when planning permission was given to the previous owners to demolish the sound stages and redevelop them into housing. But thankfully, uh Bray was saved by an increase in demand for film space to make room for the expansion. Three homes will be demolished. One on Water Oakley lane, one on the Phoenix Gym and Water Oakley Farmhouse Councilors made this choice for the hope of increasing tourism in the area. The chairman of the planning panel, Phil Hassler said I know not everybody is going to be happy with this outcome. But I think the royal borough of Windsor and Maidenhead will benefit considerably by this application. And brave film studios will become iconic across the country. And lead member for Windsor Samantha Rayner echoed that thought saying it was a huge tourism opportunity to secure the royal borough as the location of choice for people who want to see where their films are made. Rocket Man was the most recent production to come out of Bray Film Studios and we can't wait to see what comes out of the can next. We wish our friends across the pond the best and hope to see something soon. Moving on a few months ago, we had some news about Meatloaf's newest project. His new rock and roll game show. It won't be his first and now we have more news right from the loaf's mouth. I do anything for Love. Australian Edition has started looking for contestants. A recent casting notice says, are you in love up for fun and a music fan? Then we want you ITV studios. Australia are looking for adventurous couples to play for cash in a major new format. A sense of humor and high energy are welcome. This was posted by the Australian arm of ITV Studios which is a British Broadcasting Network. Meat Loaf A K A Michael Lee a day serves as an executive producer on the US original and thematic elements will largely draw on the Meat's original 1993 Steinman penned hit. According to deadline. The program features participating couples who will compete in a variety of comedic physical games designed to reveal how well they can work together and how much they really trust and believe in each other. All to a soundtrack of classic hits performed live in the studio by the original artists, as well as new stars for those of you interested and living in the Outback application. Questions include how long have you and your partner been together? Music taste and briefly describe yourself slash your partner. I don't know. You guys think I could make it. How would you describe me bubbly and entertaining? I don't have the heart to tell you how I would describe you. I do. You've got a face fit for radio. Hey, who signs your checks around here? You don't pay me. Yeah, and shut up if you want to keep it that way, huh? If you're like Aaron and absolutely desperate for your moment on Australian TV, you can apply at the link in our show notes next up. We'd like to tell you about a bunch of the shows coming back to performances. There have been so many articles posted to the R H P S news site recently about shows that have been picking back up and we just wanted to share them with you. It's been almost two years since the Panda Express ravaged the Rocky Horror, Shadow cast scene. But we're largely back and doing better than ever. The Friday night specials cast has been back at it since April and we're still regularly performing COVID regulations and all. And our very own New York City Rocky Horror Picture Show cast has been reborn at almost 10 different theaters, including the Hard Rock Cafe since the uh Halloween season started. And it's not just us because a bunch of other colleges and casts have started up again in the past few months over Halloween and even this week so to close out global news with some good feels. We're gonna give a shout out to some of the casts recently back on their feet to start us out. The University of Akron in Ohio had a show on October 22nd with tickets as expensive as $100. Not only that, there was an appearance from the one, the only Brad majors. That's right. Barry Bostwick spoke to the audience for a little bit. He talked fondly as he always does of his experience with shadow casters and fans of the movie. While Rocky isn't a yearly tradition for them, their theater space is getting back in the swing of performances in big name productions. They have Anastasia and hairspray coming up in the spring as well as big bad voodoo daddy, sir. Holidays and Mannheim Steamroller lined up for, we wish them the best, another Ohio University Kenyon College which is flush with Rocky tradition. We back at it. After two years off season, shadow casting began for one night only with only one show free tickets and high demand. The line to get in was absolutely packed. People brought camping chairs, blankets and even speakers. The Kenyan college players performed over Halloween weekend. And as we hear it was a blast break legs next year. Last from the college crowd at Brown University, that's just nearby in Providence, Rhode Island. After a dormant year, the Brown Cast had five sold out performances around uh November 7th. That was all right. But let's get to the meat of it. The adult shadow casting crowd. I wouldn't call any of us adults first up. The simply his servants cast is back at it again performing at the Cedar Lee Theater in Cleveland Heights. $12 tickets, face masks required and no throwing allowed. They had their first show back this past November six and going forward, they'll be performing the first Saturday of every month. So their next show will be December 4th at 9 30. If you're in Cleveland and want to get in on this magic, you can find tickets and showtimes at Cedar Lee theater dot com. The theater is at 21 63 Lee Road. And if you want to check out the servants website, you can do so at simply his services dot com. And if you're interested in joining their cast, be sure to attend the show and talk to Kev afterwards at the merch table. Fun fact, their site is pretty uniform with a line at the top of each page celebrating their 30 years at the Cedar Lee Theater except their news page which lists 29 years. Aaron, you should tell them how computers work. Aaron, how do computers work? A lot of zeros and a couple of ones. We need a three and a zero. Were you listening? Yeah, you need to call Cleveland. I hate all of you. And if I could afford to fire you, I would moving on out of Virginia performing at the narrow theater which has the third longest record of Rocky Horror showings is Fishnet Inc. The Narrow started showing the Rocky Horror Show all the way back in September of 1978 Aaron, you were there and the Fishnet ink cast just joined them regularly shadow casting there in mid 1988 giving them a full three years of shadow casting on the servants cast. Suck at servants cast, originally known as the back alley cast. They came out of pandemic hibernation for three wonderful Halloween shows October 29th and 30th at Makers Craft Brewery and October 31st at their home theater, Sun Halloween Narrow Cinema. They've already got a wonderful gallery from the performances posted with photos of the audience and the cast no matter who you are. These are always fun to go take a look at. Well, they don't have many more shows posted right now. There's always tomorrow and you can keep a look out for more photos and everything else on their site at fishnet dash inc dot com. Good luck Fishnet Inc. While this segment was a really great tribute to the reopening of all of our shows. This is by no means an exhaustive list of casts that are back in action and doing performances. If you're on the Hunt for Rocky showings in your area, I've been doing my best to add shows to, to the Rocky horror news website that's R H P S news dot com. As tickets have become available for purchase at all of these places. If you're interested in seeing a show in your area or a place you might be visiting. I mean, holiday travel is up upon us, folks go and check out all of the latest up to date listings over on R H BS news dot com. And if your cast has a show, they'd like to add, all you have to do is fill out the submission form and we will help you spread the word before we get started with community news. We here at Rocky Talkie would like to ask our listeners to join us in bidding an extremely fond farewell to fellow community member, Steve Warwick, who passed away on November 4th 2021 at the age of 34. Steve was a hardcore Rocky fan and an active listener of our show. He had even developed his own delightful character, Trixie Bumble Butter, whose persona he used to make fun youtube videos and entertain his friends, especially the members of our show when he used Trixie to terrorize Nicky online. But we all know it was all in good fun. And honestly, we will miss you buddy Steve was a huge comedy lover and a staple in the Saturday Night live fan community. He was also an aspiring musician who loved classic rock and most importantly, he was an amazing friend to those he loved. Steve's family has posted a digital memorial so that his friends and loved ones can share stories and memories of their time together. We've linked the memorial in our show notes for anyone who might like to take a look or express their condolences and well wishes to the family. Steve, you will be missed, buddy and our community will never be the same without you. Thank you so much for being a wonderful friend. We'll see you on the other side on to something a bit lighter. Did you guys see that Rowan from R K O is making a porno. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Nicky. You can't just go around talking shit like that. Rowan isn't just on R K O. They're a member of N Y C too. We, we got, we got names to protect. OK, I'll bite. It's, it's not that I don't believe you. But how exactly do you know that Rowan is making a porno. They posted about it on Facebook, like two days ago. Are you, are you talking about the, the documentary? I don't care what fancy Schmancy name you want to call it. If you're going to make a movie whose sole focus is sucking dick, it's a porno. But God damn it. No, we're just kidding. This project looks fun as hell. I don't think we've ever had a Rocky biopic before. Have we? No, not really one that focuses on a single member of the community. It's definitely exciting that we'll be getting one and I don't think any of us can think of a more appropriately prolific subject for the community's first venture. Wait, wait, wait. What exactly is Rowan doing? Let, let's pretend I'm not on any social media, right? Let's pretend. So just a few days ago, Rowan created social media accounts for something called a portrait of Roy Rossi. Naturally we all followed because I don't know, we assumed it was some sort of weird troll account where Rowan would post like old photos of Roy, you know, just for fun, right? That feels very on brand. But it turned out that the profiles weren't random troll accounts at all. They were actually promotional material for a documentary that Rohan is creating and producing to highlight Roy's descent into Rocky Madness. The description reads 1973 in a narrow cape of an apartment composer and lyricist Richard o'brien. Riddles away the night writing a theater show titled The Rocky Show. In 1975 the famed stage show was launched and adapted to the silver screen by 20 th century Fox, resulting in much disappointment and box office failure. A few years later, a man named Roy Rossi is sitting in his Rhode Island college dorm trying to find something to connect to within these years of growth. His roommate brings home a record titled The Rocky Horror Picture Show. The man becomes infatuated and sets out to share the unrecognized film. He's fallen for with some friends. He starts hosting screenings of the film and slowly a crowd joins a community of straight people, gay people, people of color. It's a community that nobody anticipated. 2021 Providence Rhode Island. Roy continues to host the show every single weekend and prepares to host the 45th annual Rocky Horror Picture Show convention. Until now, this man's story was unsung through the lens of this documentary. We offer a never before seen view into the life of the quiet reserved man behind the phenomenon, lost connections, niche history and a human with your help. I am thrilled to tell this story. All right, spicy. I mean Meg and I absolutely fucking love a good Rocky horror documentary. And I know we cannot wait to add a new one to our collection. It's always so much fun to be able to see how the community manages to completely change throughout the years while somehow managing to stay completely the same. Rowan is hoping to make this film and submit it to festivals and who knows, maybe we'll even get a sneak peek at R K 04 but making a movie costs many people so does submitting movies to film festivals. And to that point, Rowan has just launched a go fund me to crowdsource some cash for the festival submission fees if you like Rocky documentaries too and want to help get this one made. We're linking the campaign for you all in our show notes, Rocky Talkie has already donated because we super want this movie to happen and just be wildly successful. If you want to be cool, just like us, you'll donate too with our wallets combined. We can all suck Roy Rossi's dick together and that Children is the true meaning of Christmas. God bless us. Everyone last up in community news, but certainly not least we've got a write in from our friend Jamie from the Francis Bacon Experiment up in Buffalo. Who's got some exciting news to share. Jamie writes the Junior Chamber of Commerce in Pittsburgh is hosting members of the Francis Bacon Experiment for their show on November 20th at the Hollywood Theater. This is the first time F B E is heading down to Pittsburgh and this will be Buffalo's newest cast members. First fall show, Gretchen. That's at Rocky Horror. Tiktok will be playing Colombia for the first half of the film. Both casts are just over the moon to work together. Oh my God. Go Gretchen. It feels like just yesterday. You were a little groupie and now look at you, grouping it up across the country with J C C P. No less. They're like one of the best casts out there. You just like that. They do. Reefer Madness. I was born to be in a shadow cast of Reefer Madness. Shut up. Seriously though. This sounds like it's going to be an insanely fun show with a whole bunch of really incredible performers. I hope you all take lots of videos so Buffalo can use it to create a fuck ton of content for us. Schmucks who aren't in or around the Pittsburgh area on November 20th. But for all of you schmucks who are in or around the Pittsburgh area on November 20th, you should absolutely go check out this show. Like crossover shows are the best because you just get so much extra talent. Plus you just know that the actors are all having the best time and that energy just always comes through and they're just so extra, super good performances. I have a fun story about a crossover show, but I wasn't performing. That's fun. Um F N s and N Y C famously did two crossover shows. Uh And we took a school bus all the way down to New York at night time. Uh And actually I was performing and I played a Transylvanian in the New York theater at a time where y'all did not have Transylvanian. I don't know if you do now. Um But we, we just kind of fucked around because there wasn't much for us to do and the energy was super great. The audience was loving it and it was, it was almost like too much like it was so it was so hype and so dope and we had never seen anything like it. So we went to step outside to kind of just like take a breather and like have a cigarette because we were off stage. We got locked out of your theater for like 30 minutes. We were like, we can't, we can't get in oh my God. And then you, the one of the door men saw us and I assume he was like, these aren't just four teenagers in three piece suits. They must be here for Rocky. Oh I remember that show. That was fucking awesome. We did. I think that was the show where we did a 10 person floor. Yes, you did. Yeah. 10 person kick line. That shit's the fucking best man. I will say though. 10 person kick line is sexy. But at our show, we did not have the stage to equip a 10 person kick line. So we did two in front of the other and then in between the verses, you guys switched. So like the back people went to the front and vice versa. That was awesome to watch happen live. I loved it. I was expecting a train wreck there but boy, everybody fucking figured it out. It was dope. Hell yeah. Sounds like a blast. I've got to ask Nikki as a Columbia. Do you have any words of wisdom or hot tips to share with Gretchen as she gets ready for her first full Columbia performance. Um All I can say is get that attitude as bitchy as you can get that eyeliner, as thick as you can kick that leg as high as you can and start working on your core strength now because it's just downhill from here. It's good advice. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be linking to the event info in our show notes if anyone wants to buy tickets and if you go, don't forget to tag us in your photos. We love getting to check them out. Oh, and just one more small thing while we're talking about J C C P. We'd all like to give a huge shout out to our friend Sam and Trey who just got engaged. Oh my God. Congrats guys. Congrats. That is fucking poggers. May your first child be as masculine or feminine or both or neither a child as it wants to be because it's 2021 gender isn't real. Um Their first child is named be and she's a strong independent puppy who doesn't need us to tell her how to live her life. You're doing great. Be who's a good dog. You're a good dog, Sam and Trey. We know you like to listen to our show while you cook dinner. We'd love for you to put down your cookware and give each other a big old hug and pretend it's from all of us. We're so excited for you both. Congratulations. And with that it brings us to everyone's favorite segment. Jerking it with Jacob. Hey, guys, I really like going through what could have been with the shooting script last week. Let me tell you, I'm all for Magenta and a vacuum hose. Wink. Wink. Like a scary fucking vacuum hose. What the hell was that? Oh boy, vacuums yay. And I was worried we wouldn't get a knack snack this week. No, Nicky, let me tell you, I know how to recapture the knack in your snack. The dua in your dunker ros the Stella in your groove. I was reading the Rocky Horror fa Q this last week by Dave Thompson. Great book fucking Nerds. Stick with me. There was some actually surprising and unique facts in there about the first rehearsals for the original Rocky Horror show. Aaron might be on to something with this whole doing research thing. Still a nerd. So what I think these are kind of cool and now that a lot of the community is getting back to performing, maybe we could use some fresh ideas because I bet a lot of folks out there aren't all performing in the same way or in the same venues that we used to, you know, before the peco spill. These little tidbits from the stage show are particularly interesting to think about in that context. Just how the original actors adjusted to the theater and may do under unusual circumstances. So, are we all now? Ok. That's totally fair. I see where you're going with this over Halloween, we performed at this theater called the Brook in Bound Brook, New Jersey. And I love this venue. It's so gorgeous. It's a full theater, like it's a stage, it's not a movie theater. Um And it has just like, it's so beautiful and it has a full basement that's like dedicated as like a performance green room. But there were a lot of kinks that we had to work out. Like, first of all, directly off the stage is like an 18 ft deep orchestra pit. Um You don't want to fall into that. Um And there was just like a lot of kinks that we had to work out because the seating was all, it was like going up, but you couldn't see that well down. So we couldn't really like fuck around with like Rocky laying on the floor and stuff. I played Rocky BT W so for scare the monster, the people that were sitting in the front row for some reason, just like spaced out a lot. So I just kind of like gotten doggy style on the chairs and just was like, I, I was just hoping that my Riff would find me and she did, it was great. Um But also for Taa, uh our tanks very tall and me and Janet are not. So we had to run off the stage down the stairs and onto the floor. I don't know why we didn't just do Taja on the floor. It was more fun to run around. Um But we like did like normal Taa and then for like the scene where they're fucking in the tank, we like full sprinted to the floor to kind of like get this going. And one other thing that I didn't even think about was as rocky. I like to run around the audience. I like to fuck around, but this theater does not fuck around. They had like a full lighting rig like for concerts and performances. So I took like one step into the audience and everything went black because the lighting was just so bright and there's a really funny video of me and it's on my Instagram of me screaming and running into the audience and then my frank just slowly running behind me going, I can't see anything. It just sparks a lot of joy. But what about you? What's like the most unusual venue you fucked around with? I know New York performed at almost as many different venues during Halloween as we did. Yeah, there were, there were two that were really unusual. We talked about them briefly with John last week. But uh the standard hotel show where we were just like outside, it was a really small kind of space to do Rocky and there wasn't a ton of room to move around. So we had to like relo stuff on the fly to like, oh we're gonna do that over next to this wall or? Ok, Frank's just gonna go into the audience during this part or. All right, I guess we can't run around. So we just have like this three ft to do kick line in or I mean, it was like 10 ft, but it was really small. The big drive in show that we did at the start of the Halloween season, that was a whole different venue where like we were up against a brick wall. We were outside. There was like only a small little like uh concrete pad that was level. The rest of it was like terrifying to walk in in heels. These were really cool venues like they were super fun to perform at and super different to like have to adjust to. It was really kind of neat. And let me tell you the photos for those shows turned out totally different than any photos that we've had for like the last decade. You know how like all Rocky Photos can kind of look the same from shows over the years because I mean, it, it is the same, these were completely different, huge mixture of different locations and backgrounds and like just interactions with the audience. It was actually super cool to do some really different stuff. Exactly. In this chapter of the Fa Q by Dave Thompson, the one I'm looking at has some info about the process from the original stage show, like way, way back while they were work shopping, the original play and as a bona fide emphasis, bone theater nerd. Uh Well, I think this stuff is cool to think about for, you know, inspiration or context or whatever for when you or I are at a show or, and trying to actually plan a character, you know, really bring something small and different to your performance like a try hard, like a nerd. Exactly. Here's a good one. Did you know that the whole thing about Brad accidentally introducing Janet as Janet Vice was because Christopher Malcolm, that's the original Brad from the stage show, right? Because Christopher Malcolm during rehearsals accidentally just kept mispronouncing Janet's name. It wasn't a joke. It just happened tight as a vice but twice as nice. Right. That's dumb. The story should be way better than that. Like when you hear the Callback line, it just makes sense. I'm blown away. That wasn't originally scripted. I mean, it makes too much sense. Brad calls Janet Vice because Vice V I S E is the tool with the jaws. It's a metal tool that's typically attached to a bench that has uh, two pairs that has a pair of jaws on it that you can open and close by spinning the handle and you use it to like, secure a piece of metal or a piece of wood or whatever while you work on it in like a wood shop or a metal shop. Yeah. Yeah. If you're, if you're watching the Sopranos and you see one of these things, you know, shit is about to go down. You know, someone's getting their head fucking crushed or you just get your balls caught in them. Oh my God. Oh, moving on. Vice V I ce is bad or immoral behavior, habits. I don't, I don't wanna offer an example, an example of something Jacob does. You know, like I like sure vice and vice are homophones, you know, words that sound the same but are spelled different like penis and Pen Island fucking hate you. And no, not like that. Don't be such a homophone. No. Hey, that, that word is on my, no, no. Boomer word of the day calendar. You can't say that that's not the word on your calendar, buddy. That's, ah, just bleep it. Uh I'm sorry, I believe that is pronounced. Wow. Uh I'm glad that you're both finally getting something out of reading those Rocky horror books. It's research, man. It doesn't have to be boring. Here's a good one. Do you guys know why sort of Damocles is typically sung in falsetto and not down here, neither of those things, you know, like Rocky's Balls hadn't dropped. So, I guess just like both those things, whatever you gent just did because that was the point Rocky was just seven hours old. His balls hadn't dropped. No. Really? In the original stage show, it's up high. Just, just play the clip. You sounds totally different, doesn't it? The way sword was sung changed for the movie. And in a lot of stage shows, did you also catch that? Rayner Burton saying my life is a mystery, not my life is a misery. Misery. Why do you say like that? It's pronounced Missouri. Anyway, why was that different? Literally, no reason other than Rayner kept forgetting and singing the wrong words. So it just became that for a lot of the state shows run and it's even said that way on the 1973 cast album. I don't like that. Mystery is better. High pitched man, forgets words to song. Now there's a performance idea you guys can take to the bank. Hey, all allow it. It's true. Richard o'brien originally wanted sword to be sung in whatever regular voice. An incredibly hot seventies, Rayner Burton wanted to sing Rocky in but Rayner and Richard Hartley, the musical director wanted it sung to emulate that preteen range, you know, sexy preteens. What? No, Hansen, the Jonas Brothers BT S N sync. The Jackson five. Whoa, Nicky. What the, you seriously creepy Nicky God Kim. The can't believe, can't believe you would go there. Stop it. When Children listen to music, they don't just listen, they melt into the melody and flow with the rhythm. Something inside starts to unfold its wings. Soon the child and the music are one. And Michael Jackson was the music. That's a real fucking Michael Jackson. Quote. He was a misunderstood man, child. Oh Fuck you both. Just while we're on the subject. How hot do you think? Sexy Muscled Rocky horror, the original seventies Rainer Burton. How hot do we think he is? Well, I don't know, I saw a photo from the original production where Tim Curry is that curry or does it just look like Tim Curry? That's Tim Curry. Tim Curry and Rayner Burton are like linking arms and Tim's got like this big toothy grin and I know that it's not about him, but I just love him so much. But Rayner Burton looks really good. I feel like he kind of looks like me if I had an emotional breakdown and chop my hair back to chin la for the second time this decade. Um But he's got like a nice bob like he doesn't have from the photo. I mean, it could be a shitty photo but it doesn't look like he's got like washboard abs, but he's definitely the type of guy that would like make you a nice risotto and then like make you orgasm at least twice. And he has on this pink Speedo and he's got his hands on his hips. So he like, he's like stern, you know, he's like, he's like cute and he's got bangs. He's having like a little bang moment and his side profile is very nice. It's very, he's got like a little bit of a but chin but in like in like it'll humble him way. I like it. I like it a lot. Um So Brad is wearing like a red Speedo and you can see the head of his penis. I mean, not even like it's not even a joke. You can't see like descriptive like exactly how big it is or shit like that. But you can see where the like the shaft ends and the head begins and his sack is prominent fo focus Jacob Rayner Burton. Oh oh OK. Cool. Rayner Burton also looks like what you would expect a falsetto. Rocky to look like. I think he has like like the a a certain younger boyish charm going on here. He does have a I think that's a little bit of chest hair which which hurts it a little bit but shut the hell up. It's not about sexy. It's about looking like a child and being sexy. Ok? Um He, he's got that chin length hair. It looks like a pixie cut like he looks like what whatever I'm not I didn't go to me, you know, makeup school. Uh he looks like his balls have not dropped. He looks like he would sing sort of Damocles in a high falsetto tone and Janet doesn't really have boobies. Hey, I mean Janet looks mostly the same, right? Like the bra that, that she's wearing is patterned. I mean, Julie is, is just so hot and I mean, so is Rayner like I I love this. Rayner looks fucking awesome. All out Julie Covington is super hot. Julie Covington is Janet, right? So this image uh comes from Oz Rocky Horror. That's the website that Mark Jabara and Tony Pizzi run uh disclaimer. The colorization on this like Mark goes and colorizes a lot of photos uh but he colorizes them as they were seen based on other photos. So this is definitely verified like we've seen Tim with this like blonde front hair. We've seen Rayner in pink boxers. This is legitimately, you know what, what the show would look like at a certain point. Anyway, check the picture out in our show notes or the original on Ozy Rocky hard dot com. What's your verdict is pink in this season? Here's one of my favorites from the original stage show as Rocky and Janet are getting set to do Taa Rocky reaches into those sexy pink boxers and pulls out a vanity mirror and he turns to Janet and is like Janet, have you got any lip gloss? And she does. It's in her bra where women keep their lip gloss and their phones. That's true. Listen, I can fit the entire men's Olympic swimming team in my bra. Well, I fucking love that. Hey, no, I, no, I mean, stupid little moments like what we were just talking about, that's a great example of a little bit that, like we could actually do as performers at our show, you know, a dumb little interaction. That's easy. It doesn't take away from anything. And I mean, maybe it only plays for like the 10 seats that can see you pulling lip gloss out, but like, it's super fun and it is so rocky and I think it's a lot of the little things like that that we can all bring to characters that can make the show just slightly more interesting and not exactly what's on screen. Yeah, there's a few things that I do that I love um during Taa As Rocky. This one, I don't think I came like, I don't think I invented this. I'm sure many rockies have done it. But when Janet says that's just one small fraction. I like go to my peep because I'm like, it's not small, it's average. Like I get embarrassed and like, I turn away, I think it's very cute. Um And I also love during Hot Patuti when Eddie looks back to Brad and Janet, it's like left, right left. Um I as Janet open up my lab coat because I don't show my boobs during lab scene. So I open up my lab coat to, like, show him my boobies. So he's, like, coming over and then I close it when he looks away and then I reopen it again. Yeah, because Janet's a slut and all she wants is Eddie's attention. Um, yeah, I love those and they get a lot of good crowd reaction. But what about you, Jacob? What's your favorite nonfilm matched moment that you create or maybe you've seen someone else do? Uh So something I just started doing at like just recently, the last show I did a week and a half ago at our wicked lady here in New York. I was Eddie and I use this uh plastic trumpet or what's the fucking saxophone? I use a plastic saxophone and the outline or like the setup of their theater isn't helpful to a scooter. So I did not use my scooter. I always am a scooter. Eddie. So I, I felt like I was missing something this performance and I was looking for something extra to do. So during one of my saxophone solos, I started like deep throated the saxophone and then like a mimicking saxophone, deep throated, like as though I was eating and then passing it behind my lips and I thought that was a, I really enjoyed doing that. Um And also I really like the moment as Nikki mentioned after you switch, switch switch and you're leaning to the Janet right now. What I do is like when I go back to Colombia, I give the Janet a boop on the nose. But I want to do more. I feel like there's more things I could do, like maybe giving them a piece of paper or a post it note or something. I enjoy that at F N S. Um Rodeo who's like one of the best eddies in the whole world usually gives Brad like a firm smack on the ass like a loud one and I love it nice. Uh But Aaron's got a million of these. Tell us about it. Stud. Wow. I fucking hate that. Um No, I think I've talked about like how I do like grumbly like uh disgruntled riff uh during most of it. So I won't talk about that again. Um I think I, I do my Eddie like matched screen accurate. I'm obsessive about that. Like, but Dr Scott, I take some fucking liberties with and I absolutely love doing it. Like I, I make Doctor Scott a lot more animated. Um And I feel like it's one of those roles because he isn't, he's just sitting in the same space the whole time. He isn't running around, he isn't trying to do stuff. It gives you a lot of opportunities to like react to the other actors that you're playing with, right? Like, so you don't have to be right. He's never shown when he's doing a bunch of his reactions. So when Brad comes over and you're talking to him, you know, at the transducer or when like, Magenta's go, goes off or whatever, like, you don't see what he does. So you just get to decide what Doctor Scott does. So he, like, I play like a frazzled, like, oh, he's covering his eyes and he's shifting back and forth and like all these kind of like little things that I think make it kind of a, a fun kind of, you know, extension of the character that isn't just like sitting in a wheelchair doing absolutely nothing because you can't see Doctor Scott on screen. So that's, that's mine. I love those. These are fun. What else do we have? I've literally only read three paragraphs of one chapter of this book. Give me a second. I'm not fast, but I certainly am diligent. You are certainly fast. Yikes. I'll allow it. Well, I've read at least through the end of this chapter and did you know Aaron has been fucking lying to us this whole entire damn time? Oh God, yes, I have dreamed of this moment where me and Nicky humiliate Aaron on the podcast by using his fancy schmancy book, learning rocky skills against him once we've realized he's fucking us. OK? Because for everything he fucking goes on and on and on about, about, you know, the origins of audience participation and the history of fucking Rocky Horror. It turns out get this. Please tell me that from the very beginning, the very beginning, the first show they wanted the audience to participate because after Brad Janet came out and sang superheroes and after the narrator said his nonsense, tell me after that, the entire cast came back out on stage and got the audience to do the time warp because they had put the instructions in the original play bill. Um What uh what, what this, this isn't the same as regular audience participation because no, no, no, it is totally is the same thing. They put literal dance instructions to dance along with while the cast sang their encore. That's audience participation and to do it during the encore. What a statement, it's what every Rocky band does like. Oh, you don't need me. Oh, you want me? OK. I, I guess I'll come out and sing the song you wanna hear and it's fine. You can dance along. This one's on me. Rocky is about interacting with the show and it was there from the beginning, forced down everyone's throats like a bathroom blow job. Sorry Erin. It's the same thing. I don't care what Lewis Fry Pop did at the Waverly Theater in 1970. It already existed. Audience participation already existed and it wasn't spontaneous. It was actually a carefully crafted part of the original production. Exactly. It was there from the beginning. If you read Richard o'brien's original manuscript backwards every other page says at the top for the audience because he wanted us in on it from the beginning, man. What else has Aaron been lying to us about? Huh? Yeah. What do you have to say to all that? Listen, I don't know about all that boy stuff. But do you want to hear my favorite recent little tidbit that I just learned this better? Be. Good. Grandpa. Yeah, I, I think it is. Did you know that? Don't dream it be? It is actually a massive and supposedly obvious reference to Frederick's of Hollywood catalog slogans. Fredericks of Hollywood. Their slogan was Don't dream it live it. I'll allow it. Wait, I hate that. It's a cheesy reference to some random stupid ad. It's the whole community message that we all believe in and repeat to newcomers. I mean, so can you imagine the amount of people that have this ads tagline tattooed on their bodies permanently forever? Some albeit probably shouldn't have done it, but some of them are really cool. And I just don't think that that was like, it's just a stupid slogan made up by Don Draper to sell push up bras in their defense. Frederick's of Hollywood sold a lot of push up bras and a fuck ton of other lingerie. It was the company that introduced women in the fifties and sixties to being comfortable shopping sexy. Can you imagine not being able to just buy sexy underwear on air. Amazon someone has to send you a catalog and you have to specify the genre of catalog fetish you want sent to you and then you've got to register it with the B Ds M club near you get it from them and it's a, it's a whole process. It's crazy. That's not how that worked. Um I just realized you were lying to us about all of this for the whole time. So maybe you don't get to tell us the truth anymore. Just a thought. But for real, it fucking sucks. Shopping for lingerie, especially Rocky stuff because what the fuck? I would never even buy half this shit. Like for real. No, I'm not doing it. My first experience shopping for lingerie for Rocky. I like actually OK, I vividly remember this because I was toying around with the idea of playing Trixie. I had just turned 18. Um But I didn't own any lingerie. I just, I had like my floor show costume and that was it. I didn't fuck around. So I was in Primark and I saw a like $5 tag and a bunch of like lingerie type things in a fucking Primark. Um So I went in and I, I don't know what my brain was thinking. I have so many pictures of it. I found like the ugliest like nude colored lace teddy that did nothing for my body and like showed full couch and I bought it. I mean, it was $5. So it wasn't a waste. And I was like, yep, this is going to be my Trixie lingerie. I quickly went on Amazon and remedied that. But that was like, and I remember being in the line for Primark and shamefully hiding it because I was like, oh, this is, this is sin. Um And then my second experience, well, this another experience shopping for lingerie for Rocky was buying my floor show costume at 17. Imagine that. Imagine explaining to mom why there's a corset on the porch with a G string attached to it. Imagine that. But you know, anything can happen on Halloween. What was yours, Jacob? I am an Eddie, so I don't have to shop for lingerie with you fucking heathens. Um But my first experience buying Rocky clothing, was that a Michael's? I took one of my old t-shirts and was like, I wanna be Eddie for that. You need a shirt that says Eddie. So I went to a Michaels and I bought some paint glitter that you can put on shirts and a paint brush and I went home and I painted Eddie on one of my shirts and I have it to this day. I'm sure Aaron's is really good. What about you, dude? Oh man. Ok. So the first time that I ever had to buy any lingerie for Rocky, I just needed to buy fish nets for Doctor Scott. Um But also I was doing Eddie. So I needed to pick up some makeup for that. So in the middle of Nebraska, I went to the Walmart and I purchased one package of women's fish nets, one black eyeliner pencil, one red eyeliner pencil and like, I don't know, a tubal lobe or something, whatever makes the story funnier. But I go up to the counter and I'm checking out and this, this girl who was checking me out just, well, she wasn't checking me out. She was just giving me the most dirty looks the entire time that she's doing this and I'm just like, what the fuck? It's 2005. Yeah, I get it. I'm in the middle of the fucking country in like Nebraska. But come on, you've never seen a guy buy fish nets before. I mean, whatever. Also not to get us too far back like on point. But since we're talking about Frederick's of Hollywood, they used to make one of the absolute best floor show Corset bases that you could possibly find. The Frederick's Dream Corset, the Hollywood Dream Corset, not the one with the straps and shit that you can still buy. But the original one, that one is an amazing bases. You just, you know, rip off the, the fringe and you reb bo it and you put a zipper in and you, I mean, it's a lot of work still, I guess, but like awesome bass. Yeah. Uh My first floor show Corset first. There was the one that I found on Amazon for like $15 and it honestly wasn't that bad. It was pretty screen accurate. It made my knockers look bodacious, but it only survived to like two shows at a time before all the plastic boning would pop out. I bought like four of those back to back. Um And then I settled for another one that was like a little pricier again off Amazon and this was pre pandemic on a spring afternoon. Me and Andrea went to a Michael's and bought a bunch of sequins and just super glued it to this thing. And this bitch is in my suitcase today. I have her to this day. She works, she has, she has seen better days. It is almost coming time for an upgrade. But as of right now I am, I am rolling good with this three year old Corset with three year old super glued sequins on it. I lose about three sequins a show. Anyway, I'm selling it for $450. It, there'll be a link in our show notes. Let me know if you're interested. I won't wash it before I ship it to you. No wonder it's so expensive. Yeah. But uh how about you, Jacob? Do you even own a floor show? Corset? I don't know. I haven't had to wear one yet, but if I was to get one, I would be like Jacob. Why are you getting a floor show corset. That's so much fucking work. Don't you want to just like, smoke weed and play video games and be like, yeah, that's a good idea. Jacob, I won't buy a floor show Corset, but I know Aaron can ramble about floor show. Corsets for days. Yeah. Actually I didn't own like a proper floor show. Corset until right before the pandemic. Like I'd obviously had, you know, a corset that I would use when I would have to do a character that was in floor show, but like Dr Scott doesn't wear one. So all I needed was, you know, the, the fish nets and the garter belt and whatever. Um And finally, right before the pandemic, uh when Frederick stopped selling the original Dream Corsets, I went online and I bought every single one of them that I could find so that the New York cast would never be without the ability to have a good base for floor Show. Corsets. Uh ended up picking up like, I don't know, like 30 of them or something. Uh We've do them out over the last, you know, two years or so. Lots of people have picked one up from us. Meg does a great job, you know, doing all the little alterations that need to be done on them where I mean, the big thing replacing the boning, putting a zipper in. If you don't have a zipper in your four show. Corset fucking rip it open, put a zipper in the side of it. It doesn't take very long. There's tons of tutorials for online for like how to put a zipper in. Never ever, ever again struggle with trying to hook up a floor show corset while you're trying to do a quick change. And please, for the love of God, the zipper zips upwards so that it ends up on top, please do it in the correct direction. Um Yeah, I don't think I will put a in. I like to be difficult. I also just kind of like the cracky sound it makes when you put the things together and then they click, crack, crack, crack, crack. Well, guys, we reached the end of the one single chapter of the Rocky horror fa Q that I read by Dave Thompson. I get so many pats on the back. I did a great job. I hope you enjoyed it. I don't know why we even need me to ask snack, snacks every week. Jacob can just learn how to read. Instead. I have a degree. It's John that can't read by the way, where the fuck did you say he was? And that's our show. We want to thank Jamie from the Francis Bacon Experiment for writing into us to share her exciting news. We'd also like to welcome a new member to our team, Aaron from Tennessee who has joined as one of our editors. So a big thanks to Aaron too. We appreciate all your work. You're welcome. No, not you. If anyone has a question, they'd like us to answer on air for Nicky asks a question or some community news they'd like us to talk about or even a cool story to share with the community. We'd love to include it in our show. Just go to our website rocky talky podcast dot com and fill out our contact info form to tell us about it. If you're enjoying Rocky Talkie, please help us out by rating, reviewing and subscribing to the show. It makes the podcast more accessible to new listeners, which really helps us to grow the show. And if you want even more rocky talkie content, check us out on Facebook, youtube, Instagram and tiktok all at Rocky Talk Podcast. We'll see you next week. Bye is Roy Rossi the uh the uh I don't know the guy making the porno. No, Ro Roy runs A K O. OK. Well, we're gonna get into it. Is making a point. Goddamn it. Now, you got me saying it. Uh This doesn't sound like it's about sex even a little bit. Why do we think it's about sex? Read your damn line was like the Facebook, did the Facebook post have like a guy sucking a penis or something? No. God damn it. Do you get it now? Is it because Rowan is like, like kissing the Roy Rossi's ass and sucking his dick? You miss the joke that we made at the beginning, at the beginning, I assumed that Rowan was making a, a thing about pornography. I literally explained it wasn't a porno that would also be on brand though. Yeah, it just, it sounded too natural. All right. Describe what a vice is. I don't know what a vice is. I went to Wikipedia. How can you not know? It's like basic elementary school knowledge. Nicky. Ok. Jacob. What's the distance formula? I was, I was making a joke. I have no idea what a device looks like though. I know like what it does. My God, Aaron, can you explain this? I can't even begin to. Is it the thing that Gangsters like crush people's heads in? You put it in and then you spin the thing that feels racially. It's a metal. Just play the clip. I'm pretty sure Jacob already got us a copyright strike during the game show earlier. Anyway. Should I cut that? Yeah. Just, just play originally. We had a game show I made from a rocky track, but we took it out. That's why this joke makes sense here. Just, just play. The clip is Julia the Janet in this picture. I have got to say it. That is not a hot Janet. That is like that is, that is the damn line. No one cares. Oh Or we, I thought we were just riffing for a little bit on this thing because now we're, we're done. All right. Cool. What did I just say? Er, er, in bed fast? Oh, ok. Are you Aaron? Are you Aaron? Are you Aaron? You're not Aaron? Am I from Tennessee? Aaron? I'm pretty sure you're Aaron. Ok.