Hello to all you unconventional conventions. Welcome back to Rocky Talkie. We have such an exciting show for you this week. I am so pumped. It's been wonderful. As always. I am joined with my lovely cohost. The always beautiful John and Aaron. How are you guys? Terrible, thanks. Beautiful. How was your week, Aaron. How was your week, John? Um No, Aaron has to go first because I don't know how my week was. Oh, well, I know exactly how my week was. It was a little bit of ups and then a little bit of downs and then a little bit more ups and then a lot of bit downs. Listen guys, the stock market's doing really weird stuff this week and oh my God, I hate you. I hate my life. I, you know, I've got all this money that is now a lot less money. I, I don't even know what to do here, man. Like, should I buy more Gamestop? Should I hold? Should I, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. This has been my week is uh trying not to look at the stock chart as I'm doing my work. No, nobody has an opinion. No financial advice for me. Hold the bag. My friend is a CPA and knows a lot more than I do. So Nikki was that, was that financial advice that you gave me there? I don't know Meg taught me STK lingo and I don't remember any of it but I googled it and hold the bag came up. So do that. Hold the bag, Aaron hold the bag. I don't think that's good advice, you know. Let's just move on. How are you John? Are you holding the bag this week? I'm holding my bag as we speak. Oh yeah. Um I don't know, I week was there, I guess. Um I mean the stimmy checks are rolling in. So that's neat. Uh bit give me the stimmy check like I didn't get it yet, but it's coming and I guess that that's neat. Yeah, it is. I like free money and it's gonna help with the move in July. So that's neat. Uh Aside from that, I did the same thing that I always do. Try to take over the world. Pinky 10 to the moon. John. I remembered some more Stonk logo. Yeah, I'll do that after uh after the podcast recording, man, I'm hungry eat. I can't afford the attendees. Now, I, I haven't made enough 10 to afford the 10 days, you know. Well, now that we're talking about food on the podcast, I am straight up going to order food right now. So, yeah. Well, since you guys asked, you know, my week has been stellar. I know, I know you were wondering. I was, I've been a very busy woman, you know, keep a girl, boss, girl, boss to the max have just been cranking out ads because my show is having a soft reopen, which is crazy to me. I'm excited and I'm nervous. I have a lot of emotions, but I've just been busting out graphic design dog. I'm so excited. I love making ads and I feel like a human. Again. Is the cast list out? Are you performing? I don't know. The guest list is not out. But I will let you know when I know. Excellent. That's going to be super fun. Well, with that, let's get started into our first segment. Global news Time. Global News Time. Got to find a rhyme. It's global news time. All right. Starting off some global news. We've got some fun UK tour news and no, I promise you it's not just more new tour dates, although there are a pile of those. Go check those out. I think the Time Warp website has those all listed. There's been a few that's come out this week. We're not gonna go through those. No. This week, the production announced that they're going to be welcoming Ari Aduba to their cast in the role of Brad. So if you don't know, Aa Duba is a British TV personality who is best known as the season 14 winner of the British TV program. Strictly come dancing. It's basically the UK version of dancing with the stars. You know how they say chips instead of fries and lift, instead of elevator over there. Yeah, they've got strictly come dancing. It's Tuesday in it. But, or, or what a bloody hell. That's all I got after winning the show in 2016 or decided he liked live musical performance and made his musical theater debut in 2019 as Teen Angel in the Greece UK tour. After the tour ended the show found a home at the Wyndham theater in the west end where or stayed on as the character and made his West End debut. It sounds like or caught the theater bug because now he's moving on up to Brad. The tour's anticipated start date is scheduled for July 12th at the Mayflower Theater in Southampton. In an interview for Ripley and Haner News Aduba is quoted as saying, I can't wait to join the cast of the Rocky horror show. Like everybody, I've missed the stage so much and Rocky is the perfect show to welcome audiences back to theaters, such an iconic musical with songs that everybody knows. So I'm sure the Rocky fans will be desperate to do the time warp again. I hated reading that. I'm so excited to get started and tour the country with our production. I've just got to remember to pack my stockings Oh my God. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it's his responsibility to get pack his own stuff. You know what our sentiments? Exactly. Dude. I couldn't have said it better myself. Oh God, I'm sorry. I just googled him and he is so fine. Like I might ship myself up to the UK for this tour. You should too. But anyway, have any of you had the nightmare yet where you get to the theater on your first night back and you're late and you forgot your costumes and also you can't remember the movie at all. No. Is that just me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's completely just you. Um I have not dreamt about Rocky in like a year and a half. I have Rocky stress dreams all the time, especially now. Don't get me wrong like I love Rocky, but it does not have a place in my subconscious. Oh my God. It lives rent free in my fucking mind. Anyway, welcome to the family Ari. It's weird as shit. And you're gonna love us. Oh my God. Did all of you listen to Susan Sarandon's interview on the Divorce Not Dead podcast. Oh my God. Oh my God. I've certainly seen the memes all over the place. Did she really say the thing that the memes said? She said, oh my gosh. Yes. Oh my God. Oh my God, my God. Oh my God. I'm sorry, guys. Who said what? You gotta, you gotta help me out. I don't mean the internet. Wow. Honestly, like pick up a tabloid every once in a while. Aaron, gosh. So for those of you who are not nearly as informed as me and Nicky are, Susan Sarandon was on a podcast called Divorce Not Dead with Caroline Stanbury this past week and like each week, the host Caroline Stanbury chats with a new guest about the relationship challenges that led to their marriage ending, the difficulties of actually like disentangling your life from someone else after a long term relationship and what life is like after a divorce. She also brings on like guest experts like all the time. Oh my God, like dating coaches, sex therapists like fertility fucking specialists like that sort of thing to talk about like how the end of a relationship like affects their clients. It's super cool. But this week she chatted with Susan fucking Sarandon about her seven year marriage to Chris fucking Sarandon and her 21 year relationship with Tim Robbins that ended back in 2009. Oh my God. No, but you don't get it. You really like, you don't get it. Susan was really forthcoming about her experiences. Like she talked about how she and Chris decided to get married when she was 21 simply because they wanted to live together. Are you kidding me? Insane. Susan stated that she never really wanted to get married in the first place but that she and Chris couldn't live together if they weren't. So getting married, made it so much easier. She and Chris agreed that they'd get married for simplicity's sake and reassess their relationship every year and decide whether or not they wanted to stay married after seven years. They mutually called it quits. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. I don't know if I can keep up that energy guys. But honestly, I, I guess that story sounds like they made the smart mature move, right. I mean, Chris and Susan got married back in 1967. So I get that living together out of wedlock was still kind of a taboo. And of course, living with your boyfriend is so much easier when you get to a certain point in your relationship. But that doesn't necessarily mean you want to marry the guy nor like should you? It sounds like the two of them came to a great compromise and it's nice that they were able to split amicably when the relationship had run its course. Susan went on to discuss her relationship with Tim Robbins and why she chose not to get married. She felt with marriage after you have kids and own property together. Relationship ends in both partners, taking each other for granted something she very much didn't want for herself in a relationship even though she says it's what ultimately happened with Tim, which led to their breakup. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wait So what's the T here? OK. Well, towards the end of the interview, Caroline, like, completely just asked Susan, like at this point in your life, like what kind of man is the kind of man that you want in your life? To what Susa responded, someone who's been vaccinated for COVID uh to good one, Susan, oh my God. But then like after they left, Susan went on to actually say, I don't care if it's a man or a woman. I'm open to all, all age, all color, like whatever those for me are just like details. Like what I'm interested in is someone who wants to be adventurous, someone who's passionate about what they do, someone who owns themselves and isn't going to be intimidated by people going up to you on the street and being like, oh my God, I love you because there's like no way around that. Hold on. I'm sorry. Did Susan Sarandon just come out to us? Well, yes, but this isn't the first time. She's actually been pretty outspoken about being what a lot of us would refer to as pansexual. Although she's never used the term to our knowledge. Back in 2015, she told Ellen degeneres that she was actively looking for a new love and said I would leave open the age, the color, the gender even I'm open, it increases your chances, doesn't it? And even for that in 2012, she told the metro newspaper it doesn't matter the age race, gender of the person you choose to be with what's difficult is being intimate with another human being. Once you learn to do that, the rest is just details. There are so many people who found themselves in unforeseen situations where you come down on the sexual spectrum is very flexible, but it takes courage to be vulnerable with another person. That's a big step that has to be taken. Oh Good for her. This sounds like a well rehearsed talking point. But if she's been so open about her sexuality in the past, why is why is this time such a big deal coming out of the closet as anything is hard? It doesn't matter how many times you've done it, it makes you feel really vulnerable even if you feel relatively sure about how the person you're talking to is going to react. Yeah, I'm going to agree with Nikki when Savannah came out recently as non binary to me. They actually had like, and again, I know that this is gonna sound hysterical to everyone who is listening, who knows me and also everyone who's part of the podcast. But Savannah actually had like alternative plans in case I was going to react negatively to Savannah being non-binary, like was absolutely shit terrified that I was gonna like kick them out or like break up with them because they were, they were identifying as non-binary now and I was like me of all people. Ok. I mean, like I, and you know, I thought it was funny but it was a really weird wake up call to me to be like, you know, folks who decide to come out, no matter how many times they do, it are always going to be afraid of how someone reacts to it. Even if it's somebody who is super close to them, that's fair. And I think that's something that it's, it's really easy for all of us, especially someone like me who has never had to deal with that to, to kind of forget just how much pressure and how difficult that is. Right? Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Any time someone you look up to is open about their sexuality or gender identity because it makes it that much easier for the rest of us to be brave and do the same thing and like we're Rocky people. I'm a Janet even so getting to see this actress that I spend all of my time trying to portray. It really hits you right in the fields. That's completely fair. Well, good for you, Susan. Thanks for being so open about who you are and we here at Rocky Talkie, hope that you find your adventure, self assured, vaccinated Prince Princess Charming really, really soon. And with that, let's kick it on over to some community news. All right guys. Unfortunately, we've got to open community news this week on a somber note as we say goodbye to a member of our New York City Rocky Horror picture show Family. Nicky. Karen. Nicky was an awesome guy. He was a total sweetheart who was kind to everyone and he loved his friends, especially those of us who are on cast with him. He was like family, Nicky's family and close friends have started up a fundraiser to honor his legacy. Nicky's love of theater was a constant in his life. He worked tirelessly in support of his passion for all aspects on stage and backstage. He was a performer, singer, carpenter, scenic builder, and most of all a brilliant lighting designer. Nicky was an integral founding member of the Savannah Repertory Theater. Moving to Savannah from N Y C. He worked on every production. Savannah rep has produced since its founding, working to convert an industrial warehouse into a beautiful, warm and inviting black box style space. All funds raised will go to the building of the Savannah Reps new downtown Savannah venue. Nicky was involved in the initial technical design of the theater space back in January, the technical theater booths at both venues downtown and the play shop will be named in his honor as a Testament to his memory. If you're interested in learning more about the fundraiser, we've included a link in our show notes and of course, as we learn more about any memorial service that might take place, we will share that information with all of you. Our hearts are with Nicky's family, friends and everyone whose lives will be a little less bright without him. We love you, Nicky. You are such a wonderful friend and we're grateful for the time. We got to share with you. We'll see you on the other side and on a lighter note, uh, we got a super fun write in this week from our friend. Red name, red message. Hey, Rocky talkie. I love all the cool in depth information. You've been telling us about the pins on Frank's jacket as a Jewish person who plays Frank. I've always been more than a little uncomfortable with wearing the Nazi insignia on the jacket, which is why I decided to use different pins on mine. I'm probably not the only person in this situation. So I wanted to tell you all about an alternative that I found this pin satirizes the recent Jewish space laser media sensation and 50% of the profits from this product will be donated to candidates and organizations working to defeat Q and on supporters running for congress. It has a similar shape and color scheme as some of the other pins that he wears in the movie. So it doesn't look glaringly out of place. I love the pod and I miss your faces. Keep up the good work. Heart red. I gotta tell you, Meg got your right in on Friday morning. Well, afternoon, you know how it is sometimes anyway, she totally woke me up so we could giggle at these pins together. They are so cute. We just got an absolute kick out of them. Um Fun fact. This company also makes secret Jewish Space laser laser pointers that are advertised at being 1 400 th scale and perfect for Jewish cats, Aaron, you've got to get one of these for beetle juice. We're not Jewish nick beetle could be. You do not know his business. I'm literally just being nice. Meg already bought one for him. Oh, well, good. And fuck you on. Wait, hang on. Are there actually Nazi pins on Frank's jacket? Well, no, but there is a patch with a Swastika on it and I can absolutely understand why most people, especially someone who's Jewish would be completely uncomfortable with wearing or fuck even owning a Nazi insignia. Hell, I could see even feeling weird about owning a costume piece that's supposed to have a Swastika on it. And I, I love the idea of flipping the script with the jacket and in addition to excluding the offensive patches, adding pins like this one to just make the jacket even more in your face. Fuck you Nazis, you know. And the Swastika patch isn't the only one that might make people feel uncomfortable though, right? Like, aren't there a few just questionable pieces on the Jack to begin with? Yeah, of varying degrees, right? I mean, there's the, the Nazi patch that has a Swastika, that one's clear cut and obvious. There's another patch. We're not really sure. The source of it looks like an eagle with a, a skull underneath it. It may not even be original or the thing that's actually supposed to be there. There's a lot of discussion around that right now, but it's clearly inspired from some kind of military patch. That one's also possibly a little problematic. In addition, as far as pins go, you actually do have some pins on there that, well, not as bad as Nazi pins may not be things you want to associate yourself with stuff like the hells angels or the 59 club. Some of these biker groups that say what you want, maybe you don't want to walk around sporting their logos or accidentally run into somebody who would take offense at you sporting their logos. So yeah, this is one costume piece that even the most devout Rocky Piris will encourage you to modify it if you want to. Rocky is a place where everyone is supposed to feel good about themselves. And that majorly includes what you're wearing. And if that means swapping out a Nazi patch for a secret Jewish space laser pin. Well, that's absolutely something that we can all support. Damn, my Frank jacket has a pin that says I heart grandma on it. You fucking race it. If you want to check out these pins, a secret Jewish space laser pointer for your cat or any of the other merch on their site, which you should, they've got lots of really good stuff. You can visit them at descent pins dot com. It's funny you mentioned secret Jewish Space lasers because just yesterday after checking the time on my specialty B B record clock, I was using such a laser to make circles around the area where Bibi's butt would be in the post for F D R American bad ass. Where the fuck did you just come from? Jacob? Who let him into this call? More importantly, who's B B? Oh Of course, sometimes I forget not everyone is as close to Barry as I am. You've never even met the man. We've exchanged a lot of emails and we've grown a little shorthand between the two of us. I call him B B. He doesn't reply to my emails. It's the sort of bond I've been looking for. I was talking to him one night and it struck me that while I know everything Barry's been in, perhaps everyone else doesn't. So I come to you today to discuss perhaps the most renowned youtube series I've seen in decades behind the extra studio of which my B B is the host in this series. Barry uses his witty wisdom, scrumptious sensuality and his keen sense of comedic timing to take a deep dive on a few extras and the extra in general. If you thought Barry was funny and Rocky Horror, you've got another thing coming because this man with a story more distinguished than Spartacus and a face, more enchanting than Helen of Troy packs. So much comedy into many clips that if you watch them, if you ride that B B train hard enough. Well, you may just forget where you are. Hold on. Is, are we, is this just a review of Barry Boswick new web series? What, what's, it's a little adoration, a little review? I mean, technically it's community news. Ok. All right. Now, before we go further and I really dig deep into my B B attractions. I want to make one thing clear. I have only a chub for Barry. After my last segment, I got a lot of unsolicited boy butt picks why some friends even tried to tell me they were chill with my new sexuality. But everyone from friend to stranger seems to have it wrong. I'm not here for penis nor booby or vagina. I'm not a furry or into scatter, vomit porn or anything of the like, Barry Bostwick is my siren call in his butt and his alone do I long for now that that's out of the way. I'd like to introduce one of Barry's series within the series. You see one of the great things about B B is how octopus like he is. He doesn't just give you one youtube clip series or one weird cult movie or one shaking orgasm as you obsess over his picture hunched over the toilet. No, Barry shuffles into you. He shimmies his tendrils in and you shake and shake at the same time never wanting it to stop yet, fearing the continuation. I, I don't even know we're gonna have to password protect this fucking Skype call. Now, folks, this is the feeling of Barry's spinoff series. The worst extra ever where every episode, Barry goes in deep and hard on all of those quirky extras who fucked up their job like the storm trooper who bumped his head in Star Wars, a new hope or pants with fly down guy from Teen Wolf in every episode. Bebe works the scene with such a sense of overwhelming safety and confidence that you can't help but imagine he's just there for you talking right to you in one episode. He reaches down to touch his balls and he says, yep, that's cancer. But cancer is actually his pet name for me. So what he was really trying to say was, oh yeah, right there. That's exactly the spot where I imagine Jacob's lipsticked mouth gingerly sucking away at the wrinkled flesh of my balls. It seems intricate, but we cleared it all up in the emails. Coded messaging is just our way of talking. When you get to know someone like we know each other, developing your own language is just par for the course. I'm literally going to be the first person on this planet to sue his own podcast after this Jacob. You make me so sad. No, no, no guys. Hold on. I want to hear more about this web series. I'm down for some B B action. Let's, let's keep going. Jacob. Every episode of which there are currently seven fantastical clips. Barry takes us on a journey. Each features a new guest like Phil Lamar, notable for his role on Mad TV, but otherwise an extra like everyone else who guest appears on the series. Unfortunately, I'm not eligible to appear. I've never been on screen. Much less an extra now. I know what you're thinking. But Jacob in light of your licentiously loving relationship, surely B B would have you on if only for a brief snapshot, like a motif of star crossed lovers plucked from different worlds, faded to find conflict standing between their affections if you sound right, obviously, so blatantly right. But my buxom beautiful berry, my triple B better half has a dedication to comedy and an unbreakable work ethic that not even our love can breach. Get it over with. Thank you for that grunt. Aaron, every episode is uniquely quirky and funny with the sort of absurd comedy you might expect from community or arrested development in neat 1 to 2 minute episodes. Every time Barry takes an over the top deep dive on a particular extras in synchronicity. It's inherently ironic and playful because he's taking a closer look at people and mistakes that are intended to melt into the background. This whole series is really enjoyable and so far, only seven episodes long for about 14 minutes of content. In total. The first season, the first four episodes have over 1000 views each and while they totally deserve more, the second season is by comparison destitute with none of the three episodes having more than 200 views. The series is fantastic and I'm sure more people would enjoy watching it. But the real issue is that the View Farm I hired in India filled with underage. Punjabi laborers doesn't seem to be doing its job. I tried to get these views for Barry as an intimate gift, but these underprivileged little shits don't seem to know how to press a fucking subscribe button. Oh, well, I guess I've got some calls to make to, to everybody. Um I don't even know where to start. Should we be looking into this? I mean, India is literally oceans away. I where would we even? Let's just be grateful that that's over, make a note to bring it up in therapy this week and just move on to our next story, please. Thanks Jacob. Somebody block him from the call. So wrapping up community news, we just want to remind you all about our upcoming community preshow night on Saturday, March 27th at 10 PM Eastern. We're gonna be hanging out with all of you watching some of our absolute favorite pre shows from the past years. It's going to be so much fun, but we don't wanna hog the remote. We want you guys to help choose the lineup by sending in your favorite pre shows too. They can be performances you or your cast have recorded or just the ones you love watching over and over again on youtube. We're not gonna be picky about submissions. Either feel free to send in musical numbers, skits any kind of shadow cast performance. Tik Toks. Basically, if it could count as a preshow, it's fair game. Oh, and a lot of you have reached out about asking about the video length. We don't really have a cut off, just keep it like preshow length. So under eight minutes or so, unless it's like really good, then it can be a little longer. You know what I mean? Hey, but it's gotta be awesome, like, really awesome. If you want to submit a short form video to be included in the lineup, you can either go to our website that's rocky talky podcast dot com and use the contact us form there or you can send us an email to Rocky Talky podcast at gmail dot com. Feel free to either send us a video file or honestly just a link. Either way works. We'll get it figured out from there. Also, please don't forget to include your name, your cast affiliation and a cast or a creator logo. If you've got one, we've already received lots of fantastic submissions and we love them so much. Please keep them coming. And once again, the show will take place Saturday, March 27th at 10 PM Eastern on R H P S live dot com. We can't wait to see you there. All right, everyone stay calm. I'm freaking out. I know you're freaking out. But let's all just stay calm. It is time for Nicky asks a question. Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm. I'm Nicky. And here's the question and this week it's actually from me. Yay. OK. So the other day, I was thinking about how there's all these like quote unquote famous Rocky horror dudes like Sapiro Ron Maxwell, John Salama, et cetera. Are there like notable women that paved the way for what the community is today? I feel like we don't hear about them a lot. Plus it's Women's history Month. If this is a dumb idea, I understand. Uh Yes, that is a pretty dumb idea. There are no women that have ever contributed anything to Rocky Horror ever. And that's our show. Make sure you like, OK, fuck you guys. I'll do it myself. See now that's in the spirit of women's month. Hey, seriously, women's History Month. And you're like, what going for the misogynist gold medal? Yeah. Aaron, what's wrong with you? Hey, but, but you said, no, I'm just kidding. I know you hate women just as much as the next guy. Tell me. When did you stop beating your wife. Now. Hold on. That is not at all. What I, and what does that have to do with anything? I take offense at the entire idea that you Jesus Christ boys put your dicks away. It's women's month. It's my mom. I love when women me too. Anyway, I know there are a ton of extremely influential and important women in the Rocky horror community. I'm talking about ladies who have done a huge amount to build Rocky Horror into the community and experience that we all know and love today people without his influence. Rocky would be an altogether different place but, but my boomer jokes. No, I'm having none of it. Here's what I want to do. I want to go back to the beginning 1975 the dawn of the Rocky Horror community do the same thing you usually do. I want the history of the Rocky Horror community, but this time around no assholes, period. Yes, ma'am. I said no assholes. It's sluts only up in this bitch don't call me, ma'am sorry. It's OK. Also jokes aside, let's throw a quick disclaimer here. We don't know most of these people personally and we believe that everyone here identifies as women, but our sincere apologies. If we get anything wrong, we're not attempting to misgender anyone. And also we're going to be mentioning a lot of people that have been in the community for a very long time. And I think we all know if you've been around in the community for more than about 10 minutes, uh You're going to inevitably ruffle some feathers. We acknowledge not everyone is perfect women included, but we're not here to call anyone out. We're gonna stick to facts and well, it's just like separating the artist from their art. Yeah, it's like Ellen degeneres, unquestionably. She's a piece of shit. But you got to acknowledge that she played a massive role bringing gay rights and gay culture to the mainstream. Also, I never met these people. Names are going to be fungible because I don't know you disclaimer done. Let's go. Rocky Horror as a stage show has great success in the UK and the Rocky Horror Picture Show comes out in 1975. It doesn't do very well initially, but eventually comes to the midnight movie circuit in 76 77. Rocky Horror has just started exploding onto the midnight movie circuit. It started playing at the Waverly Theater in New York City and dozens of other cities all across the US. The very first group of regulars at the Waverley Theater, that's the same group that pioneered audience participation from the first row of the balcony featured several women, Amy Lazarus and her friend Teresa, along with Laurie Davis were several integral members of the balcony regulars that are credited with incorporating the first props into audience participation. Amy and Teresa were the first people to use confetti during the wedding scene evolving. The idea for the next night when they used Rice Laurie Davis was the first person to ever throw playing cards to Frank during, I'm going home. See, that's what I'm looking for. You always hear about how Lewis fry Pop was the first guy to tell Janet to buy an umbrella and he called her a cheap bitch while he was doing it. Nobody ever even uses that line anymore, but everyone still throws cards. It's Louis Faris. I said what I said, no assholes. Who's next? Where's the next stop? On the women's history of Rocky Horror? I mean, it's got to be dory then, right? Yeah, shortly after Amy Teresa and Laurie invented some of the earliest audience participation props. Uh Dori Hartley started coming to see Rocky at the Waverly Theater. Oh, I know Dori. She's like the most famous shadow caster, ever most famous. And also one of the first, she was certainly the person who put Rocky Horror on the map for costumed escapades. If you saw like a newspaper article, a TV segment or really anything about Rocky Horror in the late seventies and early eighties, you were probably looking at a picture of Dory. She single handedly set the bar for really the entire early fandom as the most devoted fan of Rocky Horror and Tim Curry's Frank and her friend Robin Lipner too. One of the first ever to dress as Magenta Robin Dory and many others. Came up with the first Rocky Horror trivia quizzes. They made their way all over the country as they were photocopied and handed over to fans from one to the next. They went viral with a ton of extra steps. Yeah, exactly. Fun. Fact. It was another super fan. Laura Stein who published one of the earliest fan club newsletters. She published a two sided sheet about news, community news, new audience participation lines, that kind of thing. She called it Mel Tells since she played Columbia and she called herself Mel Wait, ok. I'm sorry, this isn't in the script. Little Nell, her name is Laura and she's Nell and this woman. That's so cute. Oh, oh my God. That's so cute though. Is that like the rocky talkie Petroni? I mean, sure. One issue even contained a big flame war about if the call back line she went ape shit was appropriate since it was during a close up of Frank's face shit posting. Yeah, that's us. All right. So when the first floor show of the movie was set up, Dory went on to be one of the most prolific shadow casters of all time. There have been groups that had performed before the movie along with the recording of the songs and she had also been part of those. But when the real Shadow cast formed, she was there from the Get Go Dory and others from the Waverley and Eighth Street groups were often the face of the National Rocky Horror of the late seventies. Dori is also a crazy good artist. Her work has been published all over the place and her impressions of Frank are practically iconic. Well, all right guys, if we're going to talk about back then, we've got to mention Lilia Piro. She first saw Rocky at 12 years old dr out to the theater by her older brother. So you might know him as that guy that started the fan club or that he even wrote Creatures of the Night. Apparently the only book Aaron has ever read. Listen, everything we're talking about from the early days comes directly from that book. My point stands, Lili is an absolute pillar of the community active for several decades. She performed Magenta with casts all over New York and New Jersey. She even performed in Japan like we talked about that a few weeks back. She's in fame. She's on the cover of the audience participation book. She's featured in the audience participation album, Hell Creatures of the Night is dedicated to her. There's so much more we could say about Lilias, but we've got a lot of wonderful people to get through. So let's, let's keep on going. So, moving on from the late seventies in through the eighties with Reaganomics going strong in the US, we jump across the pond and we find a blossoming Rocky scene in London. It's there that you find Stephanie Freeman. Stephanie was a member of the Charming underclothes cast in London, founded in spring of 1987. She would go on to found the UK Time Warp Fan Club and was host to several UK Rocky conventions in 92 94 99 the contemporary Rocky Horror picnic at Oakley Court since 2006. A did you know the Castle is a picnic? I don't think that's right, John. I'm pretty sure you're correct. The founder of the charming underclothes cast was JIA Milanovich, an American living in London, who also published the newsletter Dark Refrain in the late eighties all the way through into the early nineties. And while we're talking about newsletters, we should give a shout out to Betsy Voiko out of Racine Wisconsin. Betsy took over publishing the shop talk fanzine in the mid eighties all the way through to 1989 producing over 100 issues of rocky horror content. This was a feat which Sapiro predicted will probably not be duplicated in his 1990 book, Creatures of the Night. But which will be a record nearly shattered by another woman that we talk about in just a moment. Wait, I thought Nick, you said no assholes. Like how did the self reference slip in here? I'll let it pass only because he's going to be wrong. So shop talk was a collection of everything from theater and casts news to global news, poetry, photos, editorials, and even contributions from Richard o'brien. And timely topics of the day like Amnesty International and especially a focus on AIDS awareness. Also in the late eighties, you have Jamie from out of California who is a prolific Janet who performed at nearly every convention and is featured in nine out of 10 published works. Be it, books, documentaries. What have you throughout the nineties and two thousands. She's also known across the community as a costumer sitting on many of these costume panels and as a judge, you know, back when the community didn't collectively act like a bunch of whiny babies about doing costume contests. More like when you weren't picking between five different dresses all made by edge creations. Aaron, you got me there. Speaking of costumes, I feel like everyone listening must be screaming at us not to forget the next two women we're going to mention, you know, it. First up, we've got to talk about Minna Credo. Minna started doing Rocky in the late eighties and was super active in the community up until just a few years ago. Her rocky career span almost 30 years based out of Texas. Minna would be a huge part of the Rocky scene all throughout the Lone Star State performing with or managing more than half a dozen casts throughout her tenure in the community. But I think the reason everyone out there knows about Minna is her blog, Columbia's closet. Uh. Ah. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all know Columbia's Closet. Mm. Starting in 2009, Minna blogged about all of her research, her tips, tricks, discoveries and well, anything and everything related to costumes for over a decade. It wasn't until 2020 that the site was taken down, which was an absolute catastrophe for the community. While an archive of the blog lives on in the way back machine. It's a travesty that the sheer volume of knowledge that she made available to the community is not easily accessible to future generations. Men did it all custom fabrics, patches, costume pieces, patterns, and even tons of commissions for costume pieces across the country. She did pioneering research and so many details about the costumes come from her credible findings and analysis. One random tidbit of footnote in her vast career, but one that I love Minna discovered the names and issues for the two magazines that Magenta and Colombia are reading when doctor Gott gets pulled around through Colombia's room during his entrance. It's thanks to her that I've spent a ridiculous amount of time hunting down to very specific issues of movie Life and Movie Mirror magazine, which I have to say are some of my absolute favorite collectibles. All thanks to her tireless work and research and so much more. She's a primary source for why we know so much about the frank jacket. Her work, cataloging all the pins, the variations, et cetera is unmatched. Even to this day, the jacket group on Facebook still has a screenshot from Columbia's closet pinned to the top because her material just hasn't ever been surpassed. It's hard to really smash together a list of achievements for any of these women that we're talking about. But minute is so prolific that it's incredibly difficult without leaving something out. Like she was a staple at every Rocky Horror convention for almost 30 years. You could always find her at her vendor table. Delighted to talk shop about costumes and hook you up with the most screen accurate costumes that you could possibly imagine. She was also a staple of the costume panels and contests, judging countless competitions and answering questions to the community. Hell, she even designed the costumes for a version of the Rocky Horror stage show at Playhouse 90 in Richmond, Texas. And she traveled the world hitting all the stops on the Rocky pilgrimage, performing in Berlin, visiting the museum Lich Spiel in Munich Oakley Court in the UK and even made it to New Zealand to visit the Riff Statue. We could go on about for well, quite a long time, but we really, really need to leave room for a woman who is near and dear to my heart and for whom I will happily go out on a limb and declare the most prolific woman in the Rocky Horror community. Like most prolific right now, ever the most wide reaching who has done so much for the community that it's nearly impossible to know where to begin. I'm talking about Ruth Frank Winter and full disclaimer. Ruth and her husband Wally were also the cast directors for my first cast. One of almost a dozen casts that Ruth has had a role in seeing succeed all across the Central United States. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the Rocky community who didn't know Ruth's name. Hell, I know plenty of people on my cast that couldn't pick Sal or Ron Maxwell out of a lineup. But sure as shit know every nook and cranny of the anal retentive costume list. I mean, that's where we should start the costume list right easily. From the first that you even dream of being on a Rocky Horror cast. Someone tells you to go look up the anal costume list. Originally, Ruth started the list as a resource on the Rocky Horror News Group where it quickly became clear that Ruth's detailed descriptions and citations would become the gold standard in Rocky Horror costuming information. If you want to know how big the buttons are on Magenta's dress, it's thanks to Ruth that we know that today. How big are they? Uh 3/8 or 5/8 of an inch. And that's just one of like thousands of details that Ruth has curated along with costuming tips and tricks, anecdotes, advice and research materials for any budding rocky horror costumer. Not to mention that she owns several original pieces from the stage show and movie, including Frank's dinner seeking Corset. Ruth is an absolute mainstay at every single convention for the last 30 years. If there's a costume panel or contest and Ruth isn't on that page panel, something probably went horribly wrong or she just wanted a break not to diminish anyone else, but Ruth is such an iconic presence. She's practically Rocky royalty. You'll have to introduce me one day. Not going to lie. She is one bad ass intimidating woman. Oh, for sure. It is always the highlight of my convention to get to chat with Ruth and to catch up. But we're not done here. Ruth has been integral to the community since 1988. She's been in CASS in Nebraska, California, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, South Carolina. Really all over the place. She's traveled internationally to connect with the community all over the world. She's seen casts in Paris and Berlin, Milan Barcelona Toronto. And of course, she's made the pilgrimage to Oakley Court and let's not forget all the other projects that Ruth has taken on over the years. She was the editor of the crazed Imaginations fanzine from 1998 through the fall of 2002. And throughout the tail end of its run through 2006, crazed, easily rivaled shop talk in sheer volume of publications and in content, though I'm not aware if it ever quite surpassed the exact issue numbers, I think Sao would acknowledge that he underestimated just how dedicated people like Ruth are to the community. She even interviewed Richard Brian, Patricia Quinn and Sue Blaine among so many others. Throughout her tenure as editor of Crazed, she was also a substantial contributor to the now defunct Rocked and still is incredibly active helping with the content side for the official Rocky horror website and community on social media. And let's not forget all the places that her name randomly pops up. She digitized the entirety of the early shock treatment, draft script, the Brad and Janet show, which we have certainly referenced more than a few times on this show. She's also one of only two women who have ever received both a Boss Award and a fan award from the community, two incredibly prestigious lifetime achievement awards. In fact, if you haven't figured it out yet, many if not most of the women that we've mentioned hold either a Boss Award or a fan award. I will point out though Ruth was the first recipient of the Boss Award back in 1998 at the New York City convention. If that doesn't sum it up perfectly. I don't know what does on a personal note. Ruth is the person who really taught me personally what Rocky Horror and the Rocky Horror Community was all about. She befriended and mentored an awkward 17 year old kid and welcomed him to the community and really set the standard that I aspire to today. I think we all strive to make even a fraction of the impact that she has as we work every day to make the community a more welcoming, inclusive and just fun space. Oh Stop it. You're getting me all choked up. Did somebody say they want to get choked out? Oh my fucking God. Go the fuck away. I thought, I thought we already kicked him. Wait, Nicky, hold on, Jacob leave. Anyway, let's move on. Let's roll this out with some rapid fire shout outs. It is impossible to be inclusive of everyone. And for everyone we mentioned, there are literally hundreds of women whose impact is just as important, but well, we don't know a lot of their names or we just don't have the time to cover them. Trust me, there is absolutely no way to get through everyone despite how badly I want to. So with that, here's a list of women asshole. No, no assholes. That's kind of the point. I'm gonna kick it off with Karen Schaffer and Margot Bergdahl of New York. Two of the many folks who pitched in on the Rocky Horror fan club throughout the eighties and nineties and Michelle Rafel, an incredibly prolific member of the New York cast, active member of the fan club and community and one of the players in the hilarious April fools wedding prank that we talked about in one of our earliest episodes. I've got to give a shout out to another epic perform, former community member and costumer Becky Milano Caparas, originally out of California. She's now the director of the Michigan Rocky Horror Preservation Society. Her costuming is always awe inspiring and a delight to see. We've got to mention Megan Harris Taber out of Las Vegas who organized the 16th, 18 20 the 25th convention and is the only other woman who holds a Boss Award and a Fan Award. Christine Martin is the founder of the Midnight Insanity in Balboa, California. She was particularly active in the eighties and nineties and she helped organize the Fox TV special and the 18th anniversary age of consent convention. And of course, Hillary Maxwell from New York, an amazing magenta, former leader of the New York City cast and really just the kind of woman that best represents what makes the rocky community so great, the consummate friend and fan also a huge shout out to the legendary New York Frank and my bestie Jen. If you've ever bought a Frank temporary tattoo or maybe a wig in the mid 20 tens, that was probably her handy work. I personally want to give a massive shout out to my good friend, 13 who is part of the R K O army. She is a great friend of mine and she is probably one of the greatest performers I've ever seen in terms of her costume, her stage presence, her accuracy. She's also the director of Buffy's once more with feeling for R K O and she was also the director of that. Absolutely amazing preshow that they did at the most recent R K O con. She is a total legend and does not get enough respect and props for what she does for her cast. Hell yeah, I want to give a shout out to one of the most bad ass women I know and my favorite Janet ever, my bestie Andrea, I have literally never met someone like her. She is such a stellar performer and cast member and friend. She always sets and surpasses such a high standard for performing and costuming and working behind the scenes. And she's always willing to lend a helping hand to those who need it. I've learned so much from her and she's such an asset to my Rocky Horror experience. Plus she's ridiculously hot and funny and talented and basically the best person ever. I love you. Drag Happy Women's History Month to you and you only so to everyone that we've mentioned a massive thank you for everything that you've done for the community and to all the amazing women that we may have missed. We want to give you a big shout out as well. We love when women and so should you, if there's a woman in the community, hell, anyone in the community and you really appreciate the work that they do, let them know, shoot them a message or drop a note on one of their posts, everyone could use a pick me up now and again. Also before we wrap up, we've got to mention all the women who created Rocky Horror as we know it today. Patricia Quinn Nell Campbell, Julie Covington, Belinda Sinclair, Angela Bruce, and all the others who defined classic Rocky horror characters in the stage show. And don't forget Susan Sarandon, everyone's favorite slut still looking for her creature of the night 45 years later. And of course, the incorrigible Sue Blane who practically defined the punk glam rock aesthetic with her rocky horror costume designs and is an amazing prolific designer in her own right though, she is still to blame. So to you Nikki, our funny, brilliant co-host without whom our show would not be anywhere near as good. And to my wife Meg, the absolute badass who produces this show and directs our cast. That's the New York City cast. All the other women out there who are kicking ass and making the community. Amazing. I raise my glass to you in appreciation of women's history month, Aaron. It is six o'clock on a Sunday. Why do you have a glass? Do you not here? Here? There it is. I'm crying. That was so cute. Anyway, I think I speak for all women out there when I say you're welcome. We like chocolate flowers and good head though. You can't ever go wrong with cash. I accept Venmo, but I thought diamonds were a girl's best friend. What did I say? About being a mushy asshole. Yes, Nicky. That's what I thought again. I accept Venmo and that's our show. We want to thank our friend Red for writing in with the awesome tip about the Frank Jacket pin. We love getting to share stuff like this. Thank you so much for thinking of us. Where the fuck does he keep coming from? This is a waking nightmare. I'm always here with you, Aaron and I'll always be here for you. Wow, that sounds creepy, both in theory and in practice coming up next week, we have an absolutely killer question coming to us from one of our faves, the Duke of New England. Did you miss him, Nicky? No, kinda a little. Ok. Maybe we are all so psyched about this question. We won't spoil it, but I will say that we've been waiting for the perfect opportunity to tackle this majorly divisive community issue. We're thrilled you've given us a lead into it and we can't wait to dive into it. Be sure to tune in next week. You're not gonna want to miss this question. If you're enjoying Rocky Talkie, please help us spread the word about it. All you gotta do is go rate, review and subscribe on itunes. It helps make our podcast more visible to new listeners which helps us to grow the show. 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I've certainly seen the memes all over the place. Oh my God. Oh, no. Oh my God. Susan stated that she never really wanted to get married in the, in the butt. I also don't want to get married in the butt. Damn. Me and Nicky have like these great characters going and we got ruined by married in the butt. Ok. Oh my God. Susan stated that she never really wanted to get married in the first place and reassesses their relationship every year and that is just not grammatically correct. Cram, whatever. I'm having a stroke, reassess the relationship and just God, this is giving me anxiety. OK. Yeah. Just reassess. Yeah. Whatever. It's gonna be so much fun. But we don't wanna hog the remote. We want you guys to help choose the lineup by sending in your favorite pre shows. Two. OK. That, that's not how to read that. We can't wait to see you there. Who, who, who, who, who nothing from you guys. You can't, you, you don't want to see them. I'm eating whatever. I got to push the button for this thing. So the button. Yeah, there's a button that makes the, the website go room. OK? Whatever. All right, everyone we can cut that. There are no women that have ever contributed to anything to Rocky Horror. Ever. You wanna do that again? There's no woman. Yeah, there is no woman, no woman, no cry. No. Oh I know Dori. She's like the most famous shadow caster ever. Sorry, I had to open my diet Coke. Yeah. Oh Yeah. But when the real shadow cast formed uh fuck me. Sorry Cobo was eating. She got mad that I wasn't giving her any food. So now she went over and went fine. I'll eat my own. I'm taking too long with this. No, I'm going long too. So you can go too. Yeah, that's what she said. Would anybody like to go long I'm going on where you gonna take it, Jacob. Say bye, enthusiastically. Bye, enthusiastically. What if I do it first? Oh, my God. And stop. Yeah, that's good.